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Post by Banjo on Jan 3, 2011 9:22:32 GMT 7
Early this year I want to determine who on this forum will be affected by adverse changes to travel restrictions on DSP recipients. I'll say now that I have no "inside information", the purpose of this poll is to start forming a game plan if the worst happens.
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Post by Banker on Jan 3, 2011 9:41:08 GMT 7
It wont make any changes to me as most of you know I was Grandfathered back to 2000, and then transferred over to OAP in November 2010. If I decide to return to Australia to get back my residency it will be interesting to see what happens and if I will be restricted in leaving Australia in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 12:38:58 GMT 7
As you all know it will not effect me.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the Bill when they get around to disgusting it in more detail.
They are having a bitch about the NBN with the 2 senior people who used to work for Alcatel, the communications supplier, the USA Government sued the company for bribery, the 2 people in the NBN say they had nothing to do with it, time will tell. At the moment so it will be interesting to see what happens with that also when the Parliament resumes next month.
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Post by hypoman on Jan 3, 2011 21:10:47 GMT 7
it will affect me, and more so my kids and wife.
I will have to support my family while staying in Australia, with no child support, or extra income. while this will only be about $500 a month, it will mean that I will be forced into a substandard life for 6 months a year. I may not even be able to save for my next ticket to be with them again...
If my family are taken away from me we will all be devistated. This was the only chance I had in life to have a wife and kids. dont take them away from me...
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Post by wbmania72 on Jan 4, 2011 7:03:43 GMT 7
its already bad as it is.and more Restrictions?you cant survive here on DSP,they dont let you take it to somewhere else where you can survive.it sucks
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Post by spaceyone on Jan 12, 2011 19:30:28 GMT 7
It will not affect me, but I voted to give you an accurate account for the group as a whole. I posted a rant on why I think they are doing this to you guys on the CentrelinkLaw forum. Maybe I should repost it here, or rewrite it for the benefit of this group. I don't have time tonight, I will get onto it tomorrow.
Chin up, to those who will be or are separated from their family, I hope we can have a win for you.
The government is planning to give about 4.7 billion(?) to the Disability Industry this year. We should all protest to stop that before it is handed out, if it is not too late. To let them know, we won't be made to suffer, while private business and public servants get rich off our health status.
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Post by crackers on Sept 12, 2011 14:31:44 GMT 7
I am another on dsp and i can`t understand why centrelink tries to screw us over all the time. Just recently i contacted centrelink to advise them of my departure from australia & return from Philippines. After advising the person of my travel plans i was promptly told"don`t make any travel plans after january12th because parliament has passed a new law QUOTE "TO STOP YOU PEOPLE FROM LIVING OVERSEAS". I personally think that the people who make these half witted decisions have no idea the hardship they are going to cause or they just don`t care..
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Post by crackers on Sept 12, 2011 14:38:57 GMT 7
I have only just started to fight this absolutely absurd decision made by a few simple pencil pushers & will fight to the bitter end to ensure that we will all get a fair go about living overseas.
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Post by Banjo on Sept 12, 2011 15:32:56 GMT 7
Hi Crackers, welcome to the board. Interesting comment from Centrelink, if it's true I'll certainly be testing it. Not that I doubt that somebody did say that to you but I've had a few things said to me myself by Centrelink employees that had no basis in fact. If you're in Australia I'd ring my Federal MP and ask for confirmation.
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Post by Banker on Sept 12, 2011 15:36:14 GMT 7
I am another on dsp and i can`t understand why centrelink tries to screw us over all the time. Just recently i contacted centrelink to advise them of my departure from australia & return from Philippines. After advising the person of my travel plans i was promptly told"don`t make any travel plans after january12th because parliament has passed a new law QUOTE "TO STOP YOU PEOPLE FROM LIVING OVERSEAS". I personally think that the people who make these half witted decisions have no idea the hardship they are going to cause or they just don`t care..Interesting comment from a C/L employee, Are they playing GOD again???
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Post by latindancer on Sept 12, 2011 18:31:46 GMT 7
Have I missed something ? Does anyone know what the significance of January 12 next year is ??
Um.....I just noticed that the post previous to today's first post by Crackers was January 12 this year. But I can't figure out if there is a connection.....
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Post by Banjo on Sept 12, 2011 19:07:11 GMT 7
Beats me, I got an email from a member last week saying the sky was falling on the 1st of Jan. I think most of us are prepared for anything they can throw at us now, we have all the information that is at hand and we have a quality support group.
The trouble is that no one in the system will tell us anything voluntarily, it's like pulling teeth.... I suspect we may have activist or maverick status in the halls of power. Not even Marian wants to join us to give us the benefit of her wisdom.
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Post by spaceyone on Sept 12, 2011 19:54:12 GMT 7
I have found this article. C/L sound like they are sure that the law has passed and will come into affect on that date. According to this, it has not been before parliament yet. However, it wouldn't surprise me if they have been merely refining the changes to the law, all this time, and intend to pass them regardless of how much noise we have tried to make. New residency rules for DSP recipientsFrom January 2011 only Disability Support Pension (DSP) recipients permanently residing in Australia will be able to receive this payment. Currently a DSP recipient can be absent from Australian for 13 weeks and continue to receive the benefit. It has been identified that some recipients are permanently living overseas but returning to Australia every 13 weeks to ensure the payment continues. The new rules will require DSP recipients to have Australia as their permanent place of residence. Exceptions will apply in limited circumstances. This includes existing recipients under grandfathered international social security agreements or if the person is terminally ill and living overseas to be cared for by a family member. DSP recipients will still be able to temporarily leave Australia for up to 13 weeks without impacting their entitlement to the benefit. Clients receiving social security benefits should understand both their rights and obligations for the receipt of their benefit. Legislation is yet to be introduced into Parliament. www.bizenews.com/campaign/biz/newsletter/p31/newsletter_article.php?EDMID=503&ArticleID=522
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Post by spaceyone on Sept 12, 2011 20:02:01 GMT 7
The new bill, to go before parliament: Overview of the bill1.8 The purpose of schedule 2 of the bill is to amend the Social Security Act 1991 (the Act) to introduce a requirement for ongoing residence in Australia to qualify for the disability support pension (DSP), bringing the DSP into line with other workforce age payments. The main purpose of the DSP is to assist recipients with the cost of living in Australia, and to support their engagement in workforce age activities that lead to greater levels of social and economic participation. The amendments are intended to prevent payment of the DSP to people who live permanently overseas but return to Australia every thirteen weeks in order to retain their pension. The bill is scheduled to commence on 1 January 2011. Main provisions of the billResidency requirement 1.9 The Act states that in order to qualify for the DSP, a person must be a resident at the time they apply for the DSP. 1.10 Sections 1 to 4 of schedule 2 of the bill propose to amend the Act so that instead, the person is required to be an "Australian resident", or show ongoing residency, to continue to qualify for the DSP. 1.11 Subsection 7(2) of the Act defines an Australian resident as a person who: (a) resides in Australia; and (b) is one of the following: (i) an Australian citizen; (ii) the holder of a permanent visa; (iii) a special category visa holder who is a protected [special category visa] holder. 1.12 Subsection 7(3) of the Act requires certain factors to be considered when determining whether or not a person resides in Australia. These include elements of a person's lifestyle in Australia such as the type of accommodation used; the nature of family relationships; the extent of employment, financial ties and assets; and the frequency and duration of a person's travel outside of Australia. 1.13 The proposed ongoing residency requirement will not apply to recipients whose DSP is portable under an international social security agreement; nor will the new requirement apply to disability support pensioners who were grandfathered from certain portability changes made in 2000 and 2004. 1.14 FaHCSIA informed the committee that there are 19 countries with which Australia has international social security agreements that include the DSP. A list of these agreements can be found at Appendix 3. www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/clac_ctte/fahscia_2/report/c01.htm
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Post by Banjo on Sept 12, 2011 20:30:55 GMT 7
Thanks Spacey... well we will just have to wait and see, I'll certainly be asking Minister Macklin how this fits in with her media release of May this year.
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