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Post by mick on Aug 20, 2013 13:58:50 GMT 7
What is FEAR? Could it be: False Evidence Appearing Real?
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Post by Denis-NFA on Aug 20, 2013 15:02:31 GMT 7
What is FEAR? Could it be: False Evidence Appearing Real? Either that or, Fucked up, insecure and neurotic; and/or Enormous self centered absorption; and/or Able to convert any slight into a major war; and/or Ridiculous expectation that anything will change for the better.
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Post by mick on Aug 20, 2013 15:09:21 GMT 7
Or that. Hahaha
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Post by Banjo on Aug 20, 2013 15:43:20 GMT 7
OK, enough with the jokes, that's not what this section is for.
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Post by mick on Aug 20, 2013 18:26:48 GMT 7
Sorry mate, just having a laugh, that's all.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Aug 20, 2013 19:15:24 GMT 7
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Post by Denis-NFA on Aug 20, 2013 19:44:45 GMT 7
and I appreciate how this board is operated and run by BanjoI have experienced a tad of depression in my life. The only thing I learned, finally, is that I am not alone and it is much easier to chat with anyone you feel comfortable to talk to. I appreciate that this forum is in operation. I thank all of you. You have taught me so much. I have been absolutely shocked at some of the stories I have heard of the treatment by Centrelink (Clink). Shocked and frightened. I am sure that Banjo will be more than happy to listen on a private message from anyone, as I also. And please, no one here has the answers. No one. Comment you can get. Questions you will have. There are many folk on here that get concerned for each members well being. I have no magic fixes but you are welcome to ask me the number of ways I have been a fool in my life. And please, as Banjo said, depression is something you will have just by dealing with Clink. Its a fact.
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Post by bundyrum on Aug 26, 2013 15:42:21 GMT 7
I'll drink to that...jus get a good woman...and I mean gooood.but a couple of million bucks wouldn't hurt.cheeers.and the Governments r the ones to blame..they got no real interest in any1 but themselves.. that's y most of them r lawyers..there's only 3 things needed in Life...1.something to do'' 2..something to hope for....3..and some1 to luv..and a million bucks..lol.
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Post by Banjo on Aug 26, 2013 16:23:52 GMT 7
hi bundy, I was just about to say how quiet things are today...
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Post by aussieinusa on Sept 7, 2013 19:03:27 GMT 7
Perhaps you'll feel better in a few weeks mate....Spring is just around the corner. For people whose depression gets much better each spring, you might want to mention it to your doc. There's a form of depression called Seasonal Affective Disorder that has a different mechanism to regular clinical depression; phototherapy (special extra-bright medical light) can help it a lot. There's also good clinical evidence that regular exercise can help most forms of depression (get your endorphins going, which are a natural antidepressant) so if you're able to, can be worth a try. (No, I am absolutely not suggesting anyone stop their regular antidepressant medication on the belief that exercise will fix them instead. It's complementary medicine, i.e. they complement and supplement all the regular medical stuff; not replace it.)
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Post by itsmylife08 on Sept 15, 2013 18:59:12 GMT 7
My deepest sympathies to anyone with a Mental health Disorder most of which can be very debilitating and misunderstood by the general public. ABS statistics suggest that 1 in 5 Australians will suffer some form of disorder during their lifetime which brings this matter very close to home. I have been a registered Psychiatric Nurse for over 6 years and have had first hand experience in dealing with those afflicted. To suggest to anyone not to take their medication is not only irresponsible but downright dangerous for fear of relapse toxicity levels etc. Case in point my brother suffered from paranoid Schizophrenia and Epilepsy non compliance was a contributing factor to his death. Long life and good health to all
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Post by aussieinusa on Oct 6, 2013 16:51:07 GMT 7
Ask any psychiatrist and if they are honest they will tell you there is no scientific proof of the "chemical imbalance" theory of depression. If there was they would be able to test for it. Additionally, studies have shown that up to 75% of the benefit of anti-depressants is due to the placebo effect. See the work of Irving Kirsch. We can then look at how these drugs get approved for use. All that is needed are two studies that show an effect. Studies that are done by the drug companies themselves (cough, cough). Of course there is no limit to how many studies they can run to get these two successful studies as they don't have to report the unsuccessful ones. Big pharma wants everyone taking a handful of pills a day. As an example, when the patent on prozac ran out, all of a sudden it was renamed and remarketed for premenstrual dysphoric disorder. Hurray, new patent! There is a grain of truth to this. If you go looking for relatively unbiased sources that have done the research, you will find stuff to back up all of that. HOWEVER, what antidepressants have been scientifically proven to work well for, is to give people enough of a boost for long enough to prevent imminent self-harm, help them make changes in their life and get the help they need for their depression. Long-term, the evidence shows that talking therapies are more likely to help with depression... but talking therapies are expensive, and it can take a few attempts to find a therapist you 'click' with, so a lot of people give up. So some people wind up needing ever-higher doses of antidepressants to keep helping long-term. There's also good clinical evidence that regular exercise helps with depression, by getting your body's natural antidepressants (i.e. endorphins) flowing. And evidence that having strong social ties and lots of people you can talk to about your problems has some benefit as a depression preventative. And evidence that 'lay counselling', i.e. talking to someone who's not a trained therapist regularly, helps depression, too. But any high-quality scientific evidence, by definition, has been gleaned from a large sample... i.e. a whole lot of people whose condition, personal attributes and situation in life differ. On average, those people were more likely to benefit from the treatment than a placebo -- but that definitely doesn't mean a particular treatment worked for everyone in the sample, or is great for everyone in real life. Which makes giving anyone specific advice on an open internet forum a highly problematic thing to do, even if you do know the research well. If a highly skilled mental health professional who knows you well tells you that a particular medication (or other form of treatment) is right for you, that outweighs all the interesting facts on the internet. Listen to them. If you don't think they're great, or they just don't quite 'click' with you, ask for a referral to a different mental health professional. If your GP's at all familiar with mental health matters, they'll know that it can take a few attempts to find a therapist you relate to. Mental health advice on the internet = you get what you pay for... and last I checked, this forum was still free.
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Post by mick on Oct 7, 2013 9:42:13 GMT 7
Unfortunately people that feel depressed are the group least likely to exercise. But when you do start it helps immensely.
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Post by hypoman on Oct 7, 2013 14:47:57 GMT 7
hmmmm i agree there. ive been so down lately. putting on weight, eating too much crap food and cant think straight. I hate being back in aus. its such a depressing place being away from my family. exercise is the last thing on my mind but when i get back oseas the mrs wants to go jogging so that might smarten me up a bit. the climate is more agreeable to depression in asia as well...
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Post by seajae on Oct 19, 2013 13:02:25 GMT 7
after centrelink told me I should be fine to live overseas as I had been on the dsp for 20 years and gotten worse I went back to be re assesed and they shafted me. I have now won in the SSAT but the 8 months of not recieveing my dsp really tore me up. I had to sell all my belongings and borrow heavily to survive, I have not been able to afford any medication or doctors visits for many months and went through some very hard patches where I was on the edge of doing something to end it all. Depression is one of the side effects of my condition and I havent had the meds for it since may so it has been extremely hard, the withdrawals werent to easy either but not being able to control the changes I go through has been a major problem. My thoughts on Centrelink are pretty foul, they even told me that they will not accept any responsibility for your depression getting worse due to their decissions, they really are scum.
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