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Post by Banjo on May 18, 2013 4:08:31 GMT 7
Nothing is permanent, particularly where government and politics is concerned.
I personally suspect that the next major attack will be on DSP recipients who have been grandfathered for years and allowed to live overseas, albeit, with loss of residency.
I was told this personally this year by a senior WRC officer.
Many of these people, with one notable exception, have ignored our group saying the "it is nothing to do with them".
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 9:37:16 GMT 7
cant agree more with you.
jan 2011 they started checking residency and enforcing things
jan 2013 they cut 13 weeks to 6 weeks
my prediction:
jan 2015 they will enforcing residence rule even more and cut off everyone who spend more than 6month overseas and they maybe cut 6 weeks down to 3 weeks for everyone.furthermore they will all reassess under the new table. this will bring the DSP number from 820 000 down to under 500 000 and will save them 6 billion a year.
UK style.
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Post by ghostbuster on May 18, 2013 10:11:34 GMT 7
What about oap will they start to look at us coz if they do it will be a sad state of affairs for many as well? I hope not.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 10:46:39 GMT 7
OAP i dont think so. they save alot of cash if they do UK style DSP system. what they also will do is look at assets that people got before they give newstart.
for example:
you own house, car or have investments and cash.
they will maybe allow you a couple 1000 bucks on assets before you can get new start.
they introduced this in germany now whee you only allowed to have 500 euro assets before they start paying. they even force u to sell your car. 15years ago germany was heaven for welfare.
by 2020 GST will also be around 20% thats another tax for all to fix budgets holes.
its quite easy to see what will come up cos australia is always behind europe/usa and history just repeats itself cos its the same system. just look overseas and see what they do and in a few years aussi will do the same.
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Post by Banjo on May 18, 2013 10:57:44 GMT 7
I think OAP is pretty safe, it's too complex and they do save a bundle on aged care etc.
They don't win on cutting off DSP people overseas, we've been over that and the politicians I have dealt with agree with me on that.
Basically if you cut someone off, they come back to Australia, look at most of the people on the forum, those with jobs and businesses overseas and getting the DSP are in a very small minority.
Those running bars in the Philippines and Thailand are in it for the fringe benefits not the money, trust me.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 11:01:40 GMT 7
What about oap will they start to look at us coz if they do it will be a sad state of affairs for many as well? I hope not. Hi Ghostbuster:) I believe there are a lot of other issues in their crosshairs without worrying about the OAP at this time mate! Team: What we all have to remember and aside from a few narrow minded projected predictions of our combined fates, is that we can only live in the "NOW" and worrying about the long-term future is pointless! "Tomorrow Never Comes" is an age old adage, so we best serve ourselves by what is happening at this present moment for us as the individual and collective. The budget has past and we are still alive, still receiving our pensions, and so it will remain whomever thinks their King of the country. I am seriously tiring of fatalistic viewpoints concerning other countries; They Do Not Concern Australia "NOW"! Worry about tomorrow or 2 years time when it comes, and alleviate yourself of all the associated stresses and pains involved over pointless worry! That is the one true necessity of a long and happy life, and as a lifelong manic depressive; believe me I know what I'm talking about Team:) Cheers and Chin Up... |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 11:14:46 GMT 7
cheetal, correct. in 20years time its pretty likly that our whole money system doesnt exist anymore and a new system will be in place.
plan 1-2year max and dont worry about the rest cos its not up to us.
banjo,why does UK cut half of their DSP people? in the end goverment dont care if you live on street. they care how to fix numbers and be reelected after 4 years. they dont care if people get poorer.
most of the DSP holder are not overseas anyway, they inside australia. and most have family to support them when things get tuff.
here in japan for example its almost impossible to get DSP and newstart. unemployment very low cos they dont hand free money out at all. government forces ppl to work thats why its clean everywhere. if they dont work than no money.
germany also has 1 euro/hour jobs for unemployed. cleaning parks, streets etc etc...
australia should do the same with newstart.
but like cheetal said, enjoy the moment and dont worry to much.
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Post by Banjo on May 18, 2013 11:44:31 GMT 7
Paying NewStart people €1 an hour is the same as convict labour, it takes jobs from other people who need them and private contractors go broke because they cannot compete.
Work for the dole has been done here more than once, the costs far outweigh the benefits, it has to be set up, supervised and run, it always ends up a mess.
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Post by mick on May 18, 2013 12:00:31 GMT 7
I did work for the dole 3 years ago and it was one of the biggest wastes of my time and I have plenty of that, trust me. It was more like sitting around with fags in our hand out of boredom and trying to talk with people who really had nothing sensible to talk about. Now maybe I am being my usual skeptical self but I am sure I didn't learn anything useful out of that program, well at least nothing springs to my mind.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2013 17:21:27 GMT 7
mick, all depends who will organize work for the dole. australia need alot of clean up everywhere.
i see in japan how they do it, maybe aussi should look here.
and yes 1 euro jobs is slave labour, but many people on this planet would be also happy to have those jobs and have food on table.
aussi is quite spoiled with minimum wage law. in europe you dont have even a law. cheap labour comes from east european countries and they pay 2-3 euro an hour.
many low paid jobs like hotel, restaurant,cleaners, hair dresser, supermarkt workers have not even 6euro an hour on a long term permanent contract.
i see those things heading for aussi soon
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Post by mick on May 18, 2013 19:50:54 GMT 7
Australia is not that spoiled with the minimum wage, there is now a class called the working poor. But then again there are also worse places to be. The issues I think people have on this forum is those that are classed by the government as unable to work for whatever reasons, are also being told by the very same where they have to spend their money.
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Post by immiadvice on May 18, 2013 21:07:31 GMT 7
The issues I think people have on this forum is those that are classed by the government as unable to work for whatever reasons, are also being told by the very same where they have to spend their money. Untrue! Those that the government consider unable to work are being granted indefinite portability. Its only problem is that what the government considers unable to work differs greatly to what reality dictates as being unable to work. |
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Post by Banjo on May 19, 2013 4:46:17 GMT 7
Several posts that could lead to hurt feelings deleted, I think this thread has gone far enough.
Thread closed.
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