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Post by cj on Jan 2, 2014 14:55:13 GMT 7
Hi, I have a partner in the Philippines, I live in aus on the DSP. MY woman in the PH is not going to come to Aus because it is almost impossible to achieve. I visit there regularly, trying to consider what to do, but I need to know what will happen to my DSP if I marry her over there, although she does not live in aus/nor a resident. Will it be treated as if living with a wife here in aus. (I have been through that before so I know how that works lol) Or do I just sell everything I own here in aus wich isn't much haha, and move to live with her over there and just forego the DSP. I have been on it since 2004 however I have read the new terms for UP and by the looks I wont get that, the 20 points looks like I would need to be pretty much unable to walk and sit, as I have a spinal injury.It all is starting to look like its all just to much hassle to bother with. So I guess if I can marry her under the circumstances I have mentioned, I might just continue to go for 6 weeks at a time provided my pension isn't cut because of marriage . Or if its all to hard maybe just not even worry about the pension and make a go of it with my girl in PH. Any info will be greatly appreaciated.
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Post by Banjo on Jan 2, 2014 17:00:44 GMT 7
A sad situation indeed and all too common these days.
Basically, you must tell Centrelink if you marry, that is the law.
While they can then declare you to be only entitled to half the partners allowance they may reconsider if you are not living with your wife full time.
I'm not questioning your reasons for wanting to marry, it's what people who love each other do under normal circumstances, but as DSP recipients our situation is far from normal.
I suggest you ring Welfare Rights in your home state and make an appointment, they may be able to help you talk to Centrelink if you go through with the marriage and decide to inform them.
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Post by cj on Jan 2, 2014 17:14:11 GMT 7
thanks banjo, great place you guys have set up here. well in all the heartache and drama ascociated with being in my situation, at least your quote about being far from normal gave me a laugh, sad it is so true though. I would be fine not marrying however my partner is very keen to do so,, now on my next trip I have to find a way of explaining yet another drama involving my government.
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Post by Banjo on Jan 2, 2014 18:17:23 GMT 7
One of the principal reasons Centrelink hates us traveling is that they have no way of prying into our private lives when we are overseas.
Things like working, buying property, being in a relationship are completely hidden from them.
It then depends on us to return the trust, kindness and sympathy with which we have been treated over the years by being completely honest with them.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jan 3, 2014 2:39:03 GMT 7
It then depends on us to return the trust, kindness and sympathy with which we have been treated over the years by being completely honest with them. However, there is possibly no need to take chocolates and flowers to your next Centrelink appointment. |
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Post by Banjo on Jan 3, 2014 7:05:14 GMT 7
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Post by chris on Jan 4, 2014 12:45:16 GMT 7
Hi, I have a partner in the Philippines, I live in aus on the DSP. MY woman in the PH is not going to come to Aus because it is almost impossible to achieve. I visit there regularly, trying to consider what to do, but I need to know what will happen to my DSP if I marry her over there, although she does not live in aus/nor a resident. Will it be treated as if living with a wife here in aus. (I have been through that before so I know how that works lol) Or do I just sell everything I own here in aus wich isn't much haha, and move to live with her over there and just forego the DSP. I have been on it since 2004 however I have read the new terms for UP and by the looks I wont get that, the 20 points looks like I would need to be pretty much unable to walk and sit, as I have a spinal injury.It all is starting to look like its all just to much hassle to bother with. So I guess if I can marry her under the circumstances I have mentioned, I might just continue to go for 6 weeks at a time provided my pension isn't cut because of marriage . Or if its all to hard maybe just not even worry about the pension and make a go of it with my girl in PH. Any info will be greatly appreaciated. I never take my own advice. And I am in similar situation, marry or not to marry. I processed my daughter's citizenship application (USA and Aussie) on out of wedlock status and got held up on DNA testing. Got it after 12 months and cost of  . My advice. Don't tell them. But then if ever you have a child you do risk that the information will filter through somehow. You can however, have a child and be separated etc. My other advice is to proceed cautiously with marriage, consider pro and con, but one advantage would be Permanent Residency in the Phils....a big cost and time savings after the initial application. |
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Post by cj on Dec 15, 2014 4:28:39 GMT 7
Update, I now have my fiancé travel here to AUS to be with me , surprisingly getting her tourist visa was not to difficult. She can come for 3 months at a time on the current visa we use. I am still able to marry her and be treated as single for purposes of pension payment, as long as she cannot contribute to us financially. And it would cause hardship. Yet again surprisingly Centrelink have made this process not too difficult for me,small miracles sometimes happen lol.
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Post by symi on Dec 15, 2014 9:57:18 GMT 7
hi all
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Post by Banjo on Dec 15, 2014 12:16:21 GMT 7
Hi Symi, welcome to the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 12:27:03 GMT 7
Hi Symi,
xelcome Symie also, do you have a story to tell the forum, or joining for the information you can gain? This is a good forum if you have any questions or need assistance.
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Post by Avon on Dec 15, 2014 15:02:16 GMT 7
I have been married overseas for three years, but have not told Centrelink. As I still have three years to go before the aged pension, we have applied for a multiple entry tourist visa for my wife, and are currently waiting for up to 15 working days or more for the decision. In the application we had to show marriage book, etc. So I am now not sure whether this will now link back to Centrelink showing we are married, or not.
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Post by Banjo on Dec 15, 2014 16:06:12 GMT 7
Welcome to the forum Avon.
This is the Catch 22 situation of overseas relationships.
Whether to let sleeping dogs lie and say nothing and then have it come back to haunt you if you wish to take your partner to Australia.
Centrelink is an octopus with a long reach, it's tentacles stretch into many other government departments including immigration but they still cannot check everyone.
I suggest at this stage that all you can do is wait and see.
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Post by cj on Dec 15, 2014 21:29:04 GMT 7
Hi avon and mogo51, yes Centrelink do indeed have long tentacles lol, I have been constantly surprised at what they have been able to find out about my fiancé and our relationship. Including money that I have sent her through western union omg. So just me personally, I have found it best to be up front with my dealings with Centrelink, seeing as they seem to have access to lots of my business I assumed was private. This is purely my opinion, and it is for you to make up your own mind.
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Post by cj on Dec 15, 2014 21:52:10 GMT 7
I have been married overseas for three years, but have not told Centrelink. As I still have three years to go before the aged pension, we have applied for a multiple entry tourist visa for my wife, and are currently waiting for up to 15 working days or more for the decision. In the application we had to show marriage book, etc. So I am now not sure whether this will now link back to Centrelink showing we are married, or not. On the subject of your visa, Through my experience in getting the visa for my fiancé, It helps a lot if your wife has no relatives already living in Australia, they take a dim view of this as they think she will not leave. It was also helpful o provide immigration with a full list of her relatives that are living in her home country. They like them to have as many ties to there home country as possible. In your letter of invitation (if you did this) you should mention that you will pay for her travel insurance and meet all costs. Also it is helpful if you provide a complete list of your itinerary with the time in Australia e where she will be and go. One last piece of advice would be to provide proof of where you will be staying, if your own home mortgage papers or rates bill, if renting a copy of lease. These documents can be lodged any time up until the notification of grant. Just remember the more evidence you can provide on application the better your chances will be, How ever remember that once you provide information to immigration they have it forever. |
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