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Post by howdo on Mar 30, 2012 10:09:21 GMT 7
to howdo ,good question mate,do you have relatives family ect in the state you arrive in? if so your are visiting them,that is what they expect you to do? No mate, no relatives. It would just be a shorter flight from the country visited and would therefor cut cost and time.
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Post by anotherdsp on Mar 30, 2012 10:12:03 GMT 7
to howdo,well we all have friends all over this country friends are part of residencey ties/
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Post by howdo on Mar 30, 2012 10:14:38 GMT 7
Just wondering if they actually monitor what airport you arrive back in.
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Post by Banker on Mar 30, 2012 10:28:11 GMT 7
Just wondering if they actually monitor what airport you arrive back in. Yes they do, Immigration computers are linked to Centrelink.
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Post by rowdy on Mar 30, 2012 10:29:44 GMT 7
Just wondering if they actually monitor what airport you arrive back in. Yes they do, Immigration computers are linked to Centrelink. Correct, but once you are through those sliding doors they don't know where you go.
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Post by rowdy on Mar 30, 2012 11:43:23 GMT 7
ok rowdy an banjo,well he said he is sending out a letter to explain all of this and his decision.i suppose what i will be appealing is the fact he deemed me a non resident as my intention to travel o/s again which i rang him to tell him,from that he decided that my wanting to travel again gives him the ammo to decide about residency? so then it lets me appeal his decision(which is put on hold until the appeals process has run its course) an so then whilst this is going on i am free to leave??so i assume that an ARO is 1st then if i lose that onto the SSAT(i suppose i will have to comeback to do that,organize my case?) he told no problem go ahead an book my flight as my residency cannot be questioned because of the appeal in process?you know even my little knowledge of all this is that he sez that if cut off it is reapply not reinstatement,reinstatement is the right answer! not much sleep last night,i just realized that i received two letters 2 days apart about how he is satisfied that i am a resident(i had a couple of bad days an took some painkillers,i have an allergy to painkiller,so i dont use them often my vision goes all orange ect.)well has anyone been put in this situation about appealing an leaving?? rowdy he is posting me his decision an ect so i can lodge my 1st appeal,as he has said he will deem me a non resident. is it right what he is saying about appealing and leaving?? also still have not been able to contact the indigenous couple who were ordered back to aust!! as soon as i find out it will be posted! thanx again one and all for your time. If you get cut-off, your request for ARO review does not automatically result in your pension getting reinstated before the ARO is completed. Note the following from the Social Security Handbook: "Where a person has sought a review by an ARO after their social security payment has been stopped or, where Centrelink has made an adverse decision based on the exercise of a discretion, or the holding of an opinion, the Authorised Review Officer should be asked to continue payment pending the outcome of the review"IMPORTANT NOTE - Anyone who get's cut-off should include with their ARO review request a statement that their payment should be reinstated pending the outcome of the ARO review.
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Post by anotherdsp on Mar 30, 2012 16:31:51 GMT 7
to rowdy, Where a person has sought a review by an ARO after their social security payment has been stopped or, where Centrelink has made an adverse decision based on the exercise of a discretion, or the holding of an opinion, the Authorised Review Officer should be asked to continue payment pending the outcome of the review" CIS said that i would be continued to be payed as this plays out,i best get that in writing,but as far as i know i have not been cutoff yet. i have not left yet it could only be as an intention of leaving?? i have two letters here from the same specialist stating that i have satisfied my residency for social security purpose delivered over the past two days,so it is because of my intention to leave that i am a non resident?? i flat out asked him if i do what he reckons on filling out these letters i could leave an because they are required to continue payment until the reveiw,then if i lose i have another 28 days to lodge my SSAT an wait for that as that would give me 13 weeks and if i lose that well i asume that they havent cut me off (he said that i would not be) what then they cut me off??but i would be here in aust? it will be intersting what is written compared as to what has been said?
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Post by rowdy on Mar 30, 2012 16:54:57 GMT 7
to rowdy, Where a person has sought a review by an ARO after their social security payment has been stopped or, where Centrelink has made an adverse decision based on the exercise of a discretion, or the holding of an opinion, the Authorised Review Officer should be asked to continue payment pending the outcome of the review" CIS said that i would be continued to be payed as this plays out,i best get that in writing,but as far as i know i have not been cutoff yet. i have not left yet it could only be as an intention of leaving?? i have two letters here from the same specialist stating that i have satisfied my residency for social security purpose delivered over the past two days,so it is because of my intention to leave that i am a non resident?? i flat out asked him if i do what he reckons on filling out these letters i could leave an because they are required to continue payment until the reveiw,then if i lose i have another 28 days to lodge my SSAT an wait for that as that would give me 13 weeks and if i lose that well i asume that they havent cut me off (he said that i would not be) what then they cut me off??but i would be here in aust? it will be intersting what is written compared as to what has been said? Exactly, that is exactly that I am trying to point out. 1. You have a letter from Centrelink saying you satisfy the residency requirements. A decision made - in writing. 2. This person has now said, if you go overseas again, he will cut you off. To me, that is a "decision" which you are entitled to have in writing. Is he going to give it to you in writing? probably not. Anotherdsp, you know this goons name, call him on Monday and tell him you want that decision in writing. If it is was me, without question I would be taping the call.
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Post by anotherdsp on Mar 30, 2012 17:17:14 GMT 7
ok rowdy,yep you are right as i have digested this,will do, ring him an get it in writing.roger roger got that,cheers
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Post by anotherdsp on Mar 31, 2012 11:56:39 GMT 7
i just remmebered in the phone call he qouted me a % figure on time spent in australia,anyone heard this before? it was a long phone call it is a lot to take in!
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Post by rowdy on Mar 31, 2012 12:03:49 GMT 7
i just remmebered in the phone call he qouted me a % figure on time spent in australia,anyone heard this before? it was a long phone call it is a lot to take in! I have heard people mention this percentage thing in the past, for example having to spend x% time in Australia to stay a resident. That is ALL rubbish. Frequency and duration of overseas travel is but ONE factor taken into consideration in determining residency. If the legislature would have intended a % figure, it would have be legislated - it never has been. Section 7(1) SSAct contains ALL of the circumstances relevant to determining residency. I would have asked that Goon where in the SSAct does it say a percentage, and then ask him to tell me ALL of the circumstances contained in Section 7(1). When he couldn't I would have happy told him myself. Remember Centrelink policy MUST follow the law.
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Post by anotherdsp on Mar 31, 2012 15:38:57 GMT 7
ok thanx,i have been looking at the SSAct i think i have found the right page it talks about what determines a a person as a resident for their purposes. but the website is confusing for me up until now i have never been much of a computer person.this whole situation for me is totally new,i had a couple of phone interveiws of the past for years just asking about my o/s travel which very casual interveiw nothing about for me to stop travelling!it has taken me ages to catchup on all the posts from last year or more,i was quite shocked when i found this site and realised what has been going on unbeknown to me!!! they sent me a letter in early jan(2nd) i had four weeks to arrange an interveiw,they knew i was due back on the 1st feb just after the 28 days to organize an interveiw.but as my brother looks after my mail for me i found out an rang them but bad lines ect an they did not ring back ever but it was noted i suppose because i was not cutoff.(just a bit of my background sorry when i joined i was impolite and did not introduce myself to everyone!!).heres a question if a person was cutoff would they be able to acess their C/LINK online accnt?? or is that closed? i have had problem locally with the system,as i have had 3 jca reports done over the past 8 years or so. the 1st was when i 1st applied for DSP an two after,but they where all different type of interveiw the first two were very proffessional in the tests i had to ect,but the 3rd was after i overstayed and had to have to be reinstated,well this jca was a total joke i turned up the medical guy comes in got his left arm all in special slings he had just had shoulder surgery,well we sat there for max 8/10 mins asked me a couple questions then said no worries you are up for 15 hrs a week work an see ya!yep no weight bearing test ect ect! well anyway i rang the JCA mob up to see when my test were to be done an they became quite abusive to me an told me i know what goes on up here i have been living here for 5 years now! and i have already had my assessment done! ok the next day i got a phone call from the ARO officer to notify me of her decision,the frist thing i asked her was what had she said to the JCA officer to make him so abusive towards me? she was quite shocked and asked me if i had done the weight bearing test ect ect i said no nothing like that at all,see the JCA stated that i had rung him up to abuse him because of my assessment from them an losing my pension(i am grandfathered so the 15 hrs didnt cut it anyway),so the ARO stated that how could i know as nothing or no information had been released as she was incharge of all relevent info and how could i have know anything to be abusive about!then the JCA was made ring me up to do another assessment which i promptley told him to shove it! so pension reinstated and nothing said!! monday i think i need my JCA and impairment rating and apply for the last two years of my file!!i cant get all my file as in the year 2000 when i was injured at work the company for whom i worked faithfully for a long time an built them into a thriving buisness did not have workers compensation insurance,anyway they asked me to come back on light duties which being the stupid employee done an then was sacked within a week!well done the unfair dismissal(failed at that) also at the time pursued the workres comp and why i wasnt covered under government laws it was compulsory(i had witnesses an statement by former employees) ect ect an the gov did not prosecute them or nothing! ok so i had vital information in my C/LINK file that i needed but it was sent to darwin(what for i dont know) but on the way it was lost!!!!!you know the funny thing was my bosses wife was best friends with the C/LINK employee who i would see her at my bosses place nearly everyday! never did see her again funny how life pans out! BUT WAIT"there is more" my boss was also good friends with the local real estate,the next minute i know i have no where to live and have been blacklisted on the real estate data base. after few years of this i was introduced to aC/LINK EMPLOYEE who guided me onto to the dsp! you know i tried to go back to work but i was not up to it an had to stop. but when i went for a job with people i had worked on the ocean with who new i was more qualified then them to do any of these jobs would have to not me back because of me having been on 6 weeks compo until i was hoaxed off it! it was actually stated to me that that is the policy on people with previos back injuries. so when you hand over a job application watch them read it the first thing they read is your name flick the page an chex the workers comp box!! i watch this happen many times! an this is how i became known as "ANOTHERDSP". thanx!
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Post by latindancer on Mar 31, 2012 16:36:25 GMT 7
I ran out of breath just reading that ! Now I need to lie down for a while.
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Post by Banjo on Apr 1, 2012 4:46:04 GMT 7
I suspect that when a lot of people start contributing to the forum it's the first time they have written anything more than filling in an arrival card since they left school. Hard to criticise anyone trying to express himself on paper/screen for the first time in 40 or so years, we can't all be famous novelists. I'll respectfully add a few paragraphs, no disrespect intended anotherdsp, just making a little easier for our slower readers... like latindancer.... ;D to get the gist of. ok thanx, i have been looking at the SSAct i think i have found the right page it talks about what determines a person as a resident for their purposes. but the website is confusing for me up until now i have never been much of a computer person. this whole situation for me is totally new, I had a couple of phone interviews of the past for years just asking about my o/s travel which very casual interview nothing about for me to stop travelling! it has taken me ages to catchup on all the posts from last year or more, I was quite shocked when i found this site and realised what has been going on unbeknown to me!!!
they sent me a letter in early jan(2nd) i had four weeks to arrange an interview, they knew i was due back on the 1st feb just after the 28 days to organize an interview. but as my brother looks after my mail for me i found out an rang them but bad lines ect an they did not ring back ever but it was noted i suppose because i was not cut-off. (just a bit of my background sorry when i joined i was impolite and did not introduce myself to everyone!!).
heres a question if a person was cutoff would they be able to acess their C/LINK online account?? or is that closed?
i have had problem locally with the system, as i have had 3 jca reports done over the past 8 years or so. the 1st was when i 1st applied for DSP an two after, but they where all different type of interview the first two were very professional in the tests i had to ect, but the 3rd was after i overstayed and had to have to be reinstated, well this jca was a total joke i turned up the medical guy comes in got his left arm all in special slings he had just had shoulder surgery, well we sat there for max 8/10 mins asked me a couple questions then said no worries you are up for 15 hrs a week work an see ya! yep no weight bearing test ect ect!
well anyway i rang the JCA mob up to see when my test were to be done an they became quite abusive to me an told me i know what goes on up here i have been living here for 5 years now! and i have already had my assessment done!
ok the next day i got a phone call from the ARO officer to notify me of her decision, the first thing i asked her was what had she said to the JCA officer to make him so abusive towards me? she was quite shocked and asked me if i had done the weight bearing test ect ect i said no nothing like that at all, see the JCA stated that i had rung him up to abuse him because of my assessment from them an losing my pension (i am grandfathered so the 15 hrs didnt cut it anyway), so the ARO stated that how could i know as nothing or no information had been released as she was in charge of all relevant info and how could i have know anything to be abusive about! then the JCA was made ring me up to do another assessment which i promptly told him to shove it! so pension reinstated and nothing said!!
monday i think i need my JCA and impairment rating and apply for the last two years of my file!!i cant get all my file as in the year 2000 when i was injured at work the company for whom i worked faithfully for a long time an built them into a thriving business did not have workers compensation insurance, anyway they asked me to come back on light duties which being the stupid employee done an then was sacked within a week! well done the unfair dismissal (failed at that) also at the time pursued the workres comp and why i wasnt covered under government laws it was compulsory (i had witnesses an statement by former employees) ect ect an the govt did not prosecute them or nothing!
ok so i had vital information in my C/LINK file that i needed but it was sent to Darwin (what for i dont know) but on the way it was lost!!!!!you know the funny thing was my bosses wife was best friends with the C/LINK employee who i would see her at my bosses place nearly everyday! never did see her again funny how life pans out!
BUT WAIT there is more" my boss was also good friends with the local real estate, the next minute i know i have no where to live and have been blacklisted on the real estate data base. after few years of this i was introduced to a C/LINK EMPLOYEE who guided me onto to the dsp! you know i tried to go back to work but i was not up to it an had to stop. but when i went for a job with people i had worked on the ocean with who new i was more qualified then them to do any of these jobs would have to not me back because of me having been on 6 weeks compo until i was hoaxed off it!
it was actually stated to me that that is the policy on people with previos back injuries. so when you hand over a job application watch them read it the first thing they read is your name flick the page an checks the workers comp box!!
i watch this happen many times! an this is how i became known as "ANOTHERDSP". thanx!
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Post by anotherdsp on Apr 1, 2012 7:19:11 GMT 7
thanks banjo,point taken,very perceptive ,you are right thanx for the punctuation tips your version is more reader friendly!
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