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Post by coop52 on Feb 10, 2019 8:31:26 GMT 7
I have difficulty working out the logic and how anyone can actually have the hide to call themselves "Human" when it comes to Human Services?
I married in Thailand 11 years ago and we returned to OZ and only then relisted they cut my DSP to half of a couples pension rate and had $200 a week to live on for 2 years till my wife obtained "Permanent Spouse Visa" ...
OK that was tough but got through ...
My wife never went to school and although here for 11 years has not picked up very much English at all and not as fluent as I would have expected as she doesn't have the 'capacity' to learn ...
Never driven a car or motorbike (or pushbike for that matter) and it is a struggle to come up with the required necessary participation for the Job Agency to stay on Newstart...
We live in a small village in OZ of 600 people and 36 Klms from a town of 10K ... their is no work ...
We have spent the last 7 years (a month or 2 at a time) building a small house in family's farming village in Thailand Korat (this is for her security if something happens to me) and as I don't seem to be able to get used to sleeping on a mat on a concrete floor at my brother-in-laws place.
When he go to Thailand my age pension is $629 a fortnight ... She doesn't get any payment $0 .... that is for 2-4 months a year ... normally in OZ she gets $500 a fortnight so we loose $1,000 a month while away)
If I was single I would get $834 (over $200 a fortnight more)...
I am 67 and she is 60 so it will be too many years before she in entitled to an OZ age pension.
I am considering spending a whole lot more time in Thailand but would be loosing $5,200 per year (being just the difference between me being single or married.)
We have lived at home in separate bedrooms as we are not young and I am not a young bloke full of testosterone these days so that hasn't been happening for years now. We sleep better as well ...
What are the ethics here as I could, and thinking about, claiming separation even though we would still live in the same premises (6 bedroom old weatherboard house) ??
Any input or suggestions would be gratefully appreciated.
Jim ...
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Post by Banjo on Feb 10, 2019 9:42:01 GMT 7
Welcome to the board Jim. There's a case that can be made for being classed as separated but living under the same roof. I believe there's some sort of a checklist of which sexual relations is only one, what I'd suggest is that you give Welfare Rights a ring in your home state and run it past them. welfarerightscentre.org.au/ |
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Post by coop52 on Feb 10, 2019 10:50:29 GMT 7
Thanks for the greeting Banjo, I have been reading posts here for years and have found it very informative to say the least. I did find a link here that might help .... guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/2/2/5/50It looks to be more propaganda and is "up to the discretion of the officer" I think we all know how that works. The problem in my case could arise when I would need to inform then that my wife, being 60 this year will get her Government Thai pension of 600baht a month and they would say that it is then possible to "Pool resources" and not untitled to pay me as a single  Thanks for that link and I will take it on-board ... I was hoping that with our members here I might get a little first hand information as I am sure there would be a lot living offshore in similar circumstances? Although I would imagine for example ... If you were living retired over seas and met the girl of your dreams and moved her into your house then you would turn around and say to yourself "Self, I need to tell Centerlink I am in a de-facto relationship so I can be paid $400 a month less on my already generous Age pension"... Kop Koon Krap, Jim. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 12:13:11 GMT 7
G'day coop52 , welcome to the forum. Great advice as always from Banjo , and although you probably could have done with this knowledge years ago; better late than never. We have had members make successful applications as recently as last year. All the best in your struggle with this. Cheers bear SSAct section 24 enables a delegate to decide that there is a 'special reason' NOT to treat a person as a member of a couple (1.1.M.120). This is a discretionary area of law and only applies in limited situations. guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/2/2/5/50 |
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Post by Banjo on Feb 10, 2019 14:58:38 GMT 7
I've found that it's usually applied to people living overseas and get married, if you can convince Centrelink that wifey has no income or assets they will allow you to be paid as a single person.
They seem to be pretty good with this but if you're living in Australia it appears to be rarely allowed.
What I don't know is if the couple move back to Australia to live whether it's allowed to continue.
It would make a good AAT appeal, why the partner is allowed to be broke in Thailand but not in Australia where everything costs ten times as much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 17:34:42 GMT 7
I've found that it's usually applied to people living overseas and get married, if you can convince Centrelink that wifey has no income or assets they will allow you to be paid as a single person. They seem to be pretty good with this but if you're living in Australia it appears to be rarely allowed. What I don't know is if the couple move back to Australia to live whether it's allowed to continue. It would make a good AAT appeal, why the partner is allowed to be broke in Thailand but not in Australia where everything costs ten times as much. had an issue whereby they were getting it in Oz; but when they went back to China they stopped it and said something along the lines of, "She has family there that can help out." There's a thread on it, and i'm pretty sure he got it sorted eventually. Here's the thread:- ARO Delays Feb 24, 2018 at 12:16pm Post by zingzingzing on Feb 24, 2018 at 12:16pm Hello all, It's been awhile since I have posted, but I am posting once again, because Centrelink is causing drama (not real surprise under this government) But anyway, I'll tell you my story so far, and see if you guys can help me again  Read more: dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/5428/aro-delays#ixzz5f7jkVuM3 |
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Post by coop52 on Feb 14, 2019 8:17:48 GMT 7
We go to Thailand in a week so I went to Centerlink today to inform them we would be gone 54 days and with an Acute Family Crisis my wife may get up to 6 weeks pay as we will be taking care of her father as he is 92 with dementia, diabetic, Emphysema, and is on the edge of passing away ...
The woman at CL contacted someone on the phone and they talked and I gave all those details and he said "NO as it doesn't apply to Aged Parents"
Although I have come home and gone into my wife's Gov account and they still have it as "Acute Family Crisis" status so I will get doctors certificate and photos to submit when I get home ...
But how is that .... if it "does't apply to aging parents" then who the truck does it apply to???
One of them also said that if I was out of the country for more than 6 months I would loose my age pension .... waaat
I am 66 and lived in OZ all my life .... I think the woman told me that has worked there for about 30 years needs a massive refresher course ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 9:53:20 GMT 7
coop52 general office frontline staff don't know you know what from what. I gave up dealing with them a decade ago. Centrelink International Services on the other hand; know their stuff, are efficient, helpful, easy to talk to and will put it in writing and send you a letter and virtually no wait time. Cheers bear C.I.S. in Oz 131673; from O.S. +61362223455; toll free from L.O.S. 0018006114136
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Post by zingzingzing on Mar 30, 2019 5:24:26 GMT 7
I've found that it's usually applied to people living overseas and get married, if you can convince Centrelink that wifey has no income or assets they will allow you to be paid as a single person. They seem to be pretty good with this but if you're living in Australia it appears to be rarely allowed. What I don't know is if the couple move back to Australia to live whether it's allowed to continue. It would make a good AAT appeal, why the partner is allowed to be broke in Thailand but not in Australia where everything costs ten times as much. had an issue whereby they were getting it in Oz; but when they went back to China they stopped it and said something along the lines of, "She has family there that can help out." There's a thread on it, and i'm pretty sure he got it sorted eventually. Here's the thread:- ARO Delays Feb 24, 2018 at 12:16pm Post by zingzingzing on Feb 24, 2018 at 12:16pm Hello all, It's been awhile since I have posted, but I am posting once again, because Centrelink is causing drama (not real surprise under this government) But anyway, I'll tell you my story so far, and see if you guys can help me again Read more: dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/5428/aro-delays#ixzz5f7jkVuM3Hey guys sorry for the long silence, been busy with IRL life My issue with Centrelink has been resolved by the AAT, Centrelink was forced to repay all the money, and erase my debt (from Robodebt). So everyone needs to keep pushing, keep arguing the facts, and they don't like the times, dates, and key information that was recorded. Commonwealth Ombudsman was complete utter useless. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 6:50:56 GMT 7
Banjo zingzingzing had an issue whereby they were getting it in Oz; but when they went back to China they stopped it and said something along the lines of, "She has family there that can help out." There's a thread on it, and i'm pretty sure he got it sorted eventually. Here's the thread:- ARO Delays Feb 24, 2018 at 12:16pm Post by zingzingzing on Feb 24, 2018 at 12:16pm Hello all, It's been awhile since I have posted, but I am posting once again, because Centrelink is causing drama (not real surprise under this government) But anyway, I'll tell you my story so far, and see if you guys can help me again Read more: dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/5428/aro-delays#ixzz5f7jkVuM3 Hey guys sorry for the long silence, been busy with IRL life My issue with Centrelink has been resolved by the AAT, Centrelink was forced to repay all the money, and erase my debt (from Robodebt). So everyone needs to keep pushing, keep arguing the facts, and they don't like the times, dates, and key information that was recorded. Commonwealth Ombudsman was complete utter useless. Glad it's all finally sorted zingzingzing They are either imbeciles or just bastards; nobody wants to make decisions, so people have no other option than AAT. How m uch must all of that cost them? Cheers bear |
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Post by Banjo on Mar 30, 2019 12:33:23 GMT 7
Good work ZZZ, made my day.
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Post by nomadic on Mar 31, 2019 4:38:19 GMT 7
Well done ZZZ also and I also found the Ombudsman to be totally complicit in the crimes against me by Centrelink. Everyone thinks they are impartial. No possible way that is true. If it was they would have solved my problem the first time i contacted them. They said Centrelink did nothing wrong. So why was i vindicated that they did, years later?
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Post by nomadic on Mar 31, 2019 4:43:45 GMT 7
At least $250,000 i was once told in my case alone bear. And the fat lady is still not singing. SSAT, AAT & Federal court. They paid Q.C's to defend them even. They are well paid i suspect. So many $millions for sure. Incompetent criminals is how i see them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 10:10:11 GMT 7
At least $250,000 i was once told in my case alone bear. And the fat lady is still not singing. SSAT, AAT & Federal court. They paid Q.C's to defend them even. They are well paid i suspect. So many $millions for sure. Incompetent criminals is how i see them. Both major parties are just as complicit! |
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