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Post by quantumranger on Aug 17, 2019 19:45:19 GMT 7
I don't what is happening with FOI I've emailed last week with my name, address and details and CRN but they haven't responded.
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Post by nomadic on Aug 18, 2019 6:54:03 GMT 7
Just keep at them by phone or in person until you get some answers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 7:09:05 GMT 7
I don't what is happening with FOI I've emailed last week with my name, address and details and CRN but they haven't responded. Did you ask for a specific time period? If you didn't, it won't be an effective application and, I think they'll just ignore it. Cheers bear
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Post by tasjo on Aug 18, 2019 8:12:32 GMT 7
As bear said you would need to give them a time period and what information you are requesting.
For example... Any information relating to the DSP payment between 'start date' and 'finish date'.
Details of the exclusion period and any assessments performed between 'start date' and 'finish date'
Hope that helps
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Post by quantumranger on Aug 19, 2019 14:38:55 GMT 7
If anyone has got the DSP because of depression please feel free to Private Message me if you want. As I'm stressing about my application.
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Post by nomadic on Aug 19, 2019 18:50:29 GMT 7
bear & tasjo. To quote John McEnroe, "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS". Unless you ask how long it will take to get your file, they will ignore you? Although I do recall my complaint to the dept of HS and 6 months later they rang me. Just to confirm I made the complaint. So I guess you are serious when I think of that. GROWL.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 18:57:51 GMT 7
bear & tasjo. To quote John McEnroe, "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS". Unless you ask how long it will take to get your file, they will ignore you? Although I do recall my complaint to the dept of HS and 6 months later they rang me. Just to confirm I made the complaint. So I guess you are serious when I think of that. GROWL. I think you've misunderstood nomadic . quantumranger stated they had supplied name, address and details and CRN but they haven't responded.In order to facilitate movement on an FOI request you must be specific in detail of documents you require and provide a timeframe. Unfortunately, it is our responsibility to know the rules and abide by them. If they weren't asked specifically, then our failure to comply with due processes isn't a public servants problem to resolve but ours; through reapplying. Cheers bear
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Post by nomadic on Aug 19, 2019 19:12:57 GMT 7
Then you could say I want my entire file TOMORROW? I'm still not understanding but don't worry. Nothing unusual about that as you well know. 3o points on one table for me. 20 is for weakies. Yes, you explained to me recently that they, by law, are not obliged to tell us anything.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 20:09:29 GMT 7
Then you could say I want my entire file TOMORROW? I'm still not understanding but don't worry. Nothing unusual about that as you well know. 3o points on one table for me. 20 is for weakies. Yes, you explained to me recently that they, by law, are not obliged to tell us anything. FOI is a process that takes about 30 days. So no, you couldn't say you want your entire file tomorrow. You certainly could say however, "I want my entire file, everything you have on me in due course." Let's not get other things out of perspective or context either! By law they are not obliged to tell us anything in a phone, counter or email interaction over and above what we may ask. Even then, some things you ask may be bound by processes and they are unable to answer. By law they are under no obligation to proffer extra information in respect of a query. By law they are obliged to answer our queries; but it is not their role to extrapolate them for our benefit. At least that is my understanding of the matter, Cheers bear
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Post by nomadic on Aug 20, 2019 6:49:29 GMT 7
Yes, bear when you explained it to me recently I was shocked that they have no duty of care to tell us the facts which they clearly know and we don't. It made me understand why the ombudsman said they did nothing wrong in my case by not telling me what was in my file. It was up to me to get the info. And this is one of the most disgusting and immoral unethical things that causes so much anguish for millions. Everyone thinks they will tell us the facts but they NEVER do. And WE trust them. I think every single Centrelink customer should get their file under FOI. We need to tell the world at large of this. Imagine the chaos if everyone asked for their entire file. YES! DO IT!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 7:09:29 GMT 7
Yes, bear when you explained it to me recently I was shocked that they have no duty of care to tell us the facts which they clearly know and we don't. It made me understand why the ombudsman said they did nothing wrong in my case by not telling me what was in my file. It was up to me to get the info. And this is one of the most disgusting and immoral unethical things that causes so much anguish for millions. Everyone thinks they will tell us the facts but they NEVER do. And WE trust them. I think every single Centrelink customer should get their file under FOI. We need to tell the world at large of this. Imagine the chaos if everyone asked for their entire file. YES! DO IT! Civil disruption is good! Can you imagine the headlines; "DHS to employ 5000 new staff to handle exponential number of FOI requests by client's wanting to know exactly what information the department holds. Over three million requests have been received and the backlog may take up to three years to clear." nomadic you've hit the nail on the head.......now, how to get everyone to apply. Cheers bear
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Post by nomadic on Aug 20, 2019 7:13:03 GMT 7
I'll post the idea on occupy Centrelink facebook for a start and on my FB also. Everyone here do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 8:06:23 GMT 7
I'll post the idea on occupy Centrelink facebook for a start and on my FB also. Everyone here do the same. Done deal nomadic. I'm going to suggest to my friends who think FTB is only a clayton's centrelink payment to do the same. If only one of them does; I can guarantee they'll get a shock on receipt of their file and the information contained therein. Cheers bear
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Post by mulloway on Aug 20, 2019 9:30:28 GMT 7
My FOI report revealed that at my most recent JCA I was extreme on one table. severe on two tables and moderate on another two tables with a total incapacity rating of 90 points. And people wonder why I have a drinking problem .....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 12:01:52 GMT 7
We'll have to see how it goes now nomadic . I've posted the following on my personal Facebook page, as well as two group pages. Anyone lost for words, but with a social media account feel free to copy & paste. Please remember to erase DSP Overseas Footprint; the link that will appear in a copy and paste. Cheers bear People wonder; where do we start. How can we make a difference? Civil disruption is a good place to start! Not rebellion, just disruption to mass effect. How can this be achieved? Most everybody has a DHS/Centrelink footprint; whether you acknowledge it or not. If you have ever received any money from centrelink, or still do; either as a Welfare or FTB payment, you do have, and are on file with the department. That's a whole lot of people! Through FOI, everyone is entitled to apply for, and receive their file for personal gratification, for want of better terminology; just to see exactly what information is held regarding your circumstances. Some of you may be aware of my presence on an online forum, designed to help people with Centrelink issues. Well this idea came from one of our members. Below are a couple related posts. The link has been removed in the interests of members privacy. "Everyone thinks they will tell us the facts but they NEVER do. And WE trust them. I think every single Centrelink customer should get their file under FOI. We need to tell the world at large of this. Imagine the chaos if everyone asked for their entire file. YES! DO IT!" "Civil disruption is good! Can you imagine the headlines; "DHS to employ 5000 new staff to handle exponential number of FOI requests by client's wanting to know exactly what information the department holds. Over three million requests have been received and the backlog may take up to three years to clear."' Calloo Callay what a joyous day that would be; and a humongous headache for the minister and his boss. Maybe this will all be perceived as pie in the sky; but if you're not prepared to try, you have no right to complain.....really. An FOI application should take thirty days and is usually free. Let's make a log jam out of the system. Details are in the link:- www.humanservices.gov.au/organisations/about-us/access-information/freedom-information
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