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Post by genx on Mar 9, 2023 16:22:11 GMT 7
1) I'm going to apply for my whole file via FOI (not sure why, but why not?) 2) Consider applying for IP through international services. You need to understand how Centrelink views your disability. The details in 1 are crucial to the possibility of 2. |
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Post by genx on Mar 9, 2023 16:40:00 GMT 7
Just out of interest, how was your experience getting your JCA directly from a Centrelink office? I've never done it (I was denied and told to do an FOI request) and other forum members I know have had differing experiences. Centrelink denied me once and gave the JCA to me cheerfully once. It will depend on who is power tripping at the time. There should be no rule against it, however. This is the quickest method and the method I recommend to try first. |
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Post by scuzzy on Mar 9, 2023 22:08:03 GMT 7
Hi Everyone  Truthfully, I am TERRIFIED that in applying for IP I'll lose my newly granted DSP 😬. Don't worry; I was terrified too. Actually, I may very well have let fear rule and backed out of it if I didn't have this forum to turn to for advice, encouragement and emotional support. Like some members told me when I was where you are now; there is a possibility of loss of DSP during an I.P application (it has happened), but in your case it is very, very unlikely and in the off chance that it did happen, you'd almost certainly get your DSP back by appealing. Put it this way; your situation is almost identical to mine and I got I.P, as have many past and present members of this forum. Just remember, all the anxiety and fear you're feeling is absolutely normal and I think it's safe to say that everyone on this forum who's in your current position felt it also. The way I dealt with it was to lean into the fear, running headlong into it and grabbing the bull by the horns. It's kind of like getting into a cold swimming pool; it's more painful to baulk at the poolside or edge yourself in slowly as opposed to just yelling 'COWABUNGA!' and jumping in. |
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Post by Banjo on Mar 10, 2023 7:44:11 GMT 7
I was one of the first to apply for portability and was denied, I had sufficient points in total but not 20 in a single disability.
I thought I might lose the DSP as well as I qualified back in the 90s when the requirements were not quite so stringent (John Howard was trying to make the dole figures look better by moving people onto the DSP).
I'd say that if you were recently qualified for the DSP under the current system and you're incapable of any work at all you should meet the requirements for portability also.
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Post by tasjo on Mar 10, 2023 15:24:06 GMT 7
Harry - in answer to the question 'why' get the FOI file... Centrelink will have (and consider) all of the information in your file when they assess your claim for IP, so to be in the strongest position when you apply for IP it is best that you have the information too.
Dont forget that it is 'your' information, there is nothing to lose by having it (even if you never apply for IP) and everything to gain.
Before finding this forum I didnt even know that impairment tables or assessed hours existed, and wondered why my DSP claim was rejected. I simply provided the application form for DSP with contact details for my doctors and specialists (from memory initially without even any doctors reports because then I was of the belief that if Centrelink wanted more they would contact my doctors)
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Post by bear on Mar 10, 2023 16:40:54 GMT 7
Post #2 in the link shows the current tables with descriptors and how they are used to determine & allocate points. It would be prudent to familiarise yourself with the table related to your disability and when having your medical team fill in the UP/IP application ask them to use the Centrelink Speak as shown in the table. Members with recent successful applications have previously advised that is the format Centrelink likes to see when making the assessment. Cheers 🐻 dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/7402/table-points |
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Post by hopefulharry on Mar 20, 2023 11:37:11 GMT 7
Hi Everyone There is now a dedicated FOI form available on the Services Australia website. After contacting Centrelink and visiting an office, they advised me to use this form to apply for my file. bear - here is the link and explainer to add to your post. www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/sites/default/files/2022-11/si031-2212en-f.pdf www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/si031QUESTION Q: What am I specifically asking for? And how do I frame the parameters of the FOI request? - My file would be massive, since I've done a lot of study and been on job keeper many times. I've been on centrelink for more than a decade combined. - What is actually relevant for me to obtain for the purposes of my IP application? Any help would be appreciated. Best Wishes and Wonderment, Harry |
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Post by scuzzy on Mar 20, 2023 23:09:25 GMT 7
The most important thing is your JCA report (Job Capacity Assessment). All the information that you need to help you with your I.P application is in your JCA Report. Basically, what you need to know is how many points you have on one or more table/s and what your assessed work capacity hours per week is. If you have 20 points on one table (severely disabled classification) and you have an assessed work capacity of 1-7 hours per week, you have an excellent chance of getting I.P.
I always suggest getting your whole file as it helps to understand how Centrelink works bureaucratically, but if you don't want the whole thing, then the JCA will do.
If you want your whole file, you just ask for "All files, documents, screens, letters, reports, images and messages pertaining to me between X date and the present". That was the wording I was given by Welfare Rights many years ago and it gets me everything I need.
Also, I recommend opting to get it delivered via email as a PDF file as it's much easier to navigate and store than a huge stack of paper.
But, if you're not the type of person who likes pouring over pages and pages of documentation, then just get the JCA report.
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Post by hopefulharry on Mar 21, 2023 12:05:59 GMT 7
Thanks scuzzy They gave me my JCA two weeks ago. Based on everyone's guidance, I was planning on submitting an FOI request just to get further information. If I used the approach of "All files, documents, screens, letters, reports, images and messages pertaining to me between X date and the present": - When should I set the date for? - What is relevant? - Most of the Pandemic, I was on Jobseeker, then the NEIS program and then back to Jobseeker. - Just before applying for the DSP, I was on Austudy for the qualification I was studying. - In between my Austudy ending, and waiting for the DSP outcome I was on Jobseeker. Basically, I'm not sure how narrow or wide the scope of the FOI should be. - Am I only seeking information related to the DSP and their decision making? --- I'm also concerned that they won't give it to me because I was able to complete the NEIS program and recent post graduate studies --- Best Regards and Much Gratitude, Hopeful Harry 🙏 |
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Post by hopefulharry on Mar 21, 2023 12:07:05 GMT 7
I really appreciate everyone's support here.
I know that I'm afraid, dragging my feet and being annoying.
Thank you all for bearing with me.
Please let me know if there is a way to contribute to this community.
Best,
Harry
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Post by scuzzy on Mar 21, 2023 22:09:46 GMT 7
OK, there's really no need to lodge an FOI for your whole file in order to proceed with an application for I.P.
What you need to do is look at your JCA under the section 'Impairments' and see what your score is (it'll be 20 or more because you wouldn't have qualified for DSP otherwise), and your assessed hours per week work capacity. If those hours are 0-7 per week, then I would proceed with an I.P application with a large degree of confidence. If they are 8-15 hours per week then you can still proceed, but the chances of success aren't as high.
In regards to this part of your post: "...I'm also concerned that they won't give it to me because I was able to complete the NEIS program and recent post graduate studies...", If that is going to be a problem then it will be mentioned in your JCA as part of the assessing officer's rationale for the work capacity hours they assessed you to have. The bottom line is that for an I.P application to be successful, you have to be re-assessed as having 0-2 hours work (or study) capacity per week for the next five years.
If you want to get your whole file just out of curiosity or to have it handy, then you can either get it from when you first engaged with Centrelink, or if you just want what is most pertinent to the present and near future, then you'd get it starting from just before when you applied for DSP. But you don't need to wait for that to proceed with an I.P application.
Anyway, have a good read of your JCA and let us know what it says if you need further advice.
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Post by hopefulharry on Mar 22, 2023 7:32:14 GMT 7
Thank you scuzzy! I'm going to call international services today and request the forms. Best, Harry |
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Post by hopefulharry on Mar 26, 2023 5:19:48 GMT 7
Update.
During the week I spent two hours on the phone with International Services and requested the forms.
I spoke to a fellow named Luke - and he was fantastic.
- He didn't try to scare me out of applying, he gave the same measured advice that I've received here on the forum.
- He told me about the back up plan to IP, which is an arrangement with another country at a reduced DSP Rate.
Overall, was really good.
Best,
Harry
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Post by bear on Mar 26, 2023 6:29:24 GMT 7
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Post by bear on Jun 12, 2023 18:15:06 GMT 7
G'day bandwagon welcome to the forum. 1. Rather than being prudish, imho you sound more naïve, negative, paranoid and judgemental.The OP has already been appraised of the possible outcome of his application, in no uncertain terms, along with the various other pathways mentioned by you; so, how about you do you, apply in 3-4 years and in the meantime just ignore the wealth of knowledge the forum has on offer and let others get on with it! 2. Checks & balances vs Lifestyle. Okay; now would you please tell us how countries with SSA somehow have better lifestyles, more secure payments, better checks and balances than those that don't. Forgive me, but I thought people went to stay long term OS for the lifestyle. Sorry, obviously my mistake, but just for the record, Australia currently has 31 bilateral international social security agreements vs the other 164countries of the world that don't; but where DSP/IP and OAPers can go to live permanently; so your point please!! Cheers 🐻 |
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