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Post by nomadic on Jun 12, 2023 20:21:57 GMT 7
I can't add anything to Bear's response other than to agree. It is the total opposite from all we know. Applying for UP, if you were granted DSP prior to 2012 is far more debatable than after as the rules to get DSP were far easier than after 2012. Anyone granted after 2012 is far less likely to be reassessed. Why would they reaccess anyone only 6 months after being granted DSP? No better time to apply I would think. Maybe it's even a case of only those manifestly disabled even getting DSP at all under today's brutal rules. If so being manifestly means automatic UP. Go for it I say as it will better your life if you really want it to.
Further; Do you have letters of support from your GP stating how youโre going to manage yourself outside of Australia? Your functional capacity, support network and medications etc?
Never known anyone including myself to be asked to provide anything like that. Either before or after being granted UP. Since I got UP 10 years ago I have had no further contact with them at all. Heaven alone.
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Post by bear on Jun 13, 2023 6:47:29 GMT 7
You're welcome and yes really; because of your subtle undertones of being some sort of oracle, when you're a newly minted DSPer. Nothing like being admitted to a forum and barging into a thread before even introducing yourself. Great etiquette....
Now about item 2. Care to clarify and elaborate on your 'checks & balances' statement? Cheers ๐ป
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Post by nomadic on Jun 13, 2023 20:08:41 GMT 7
I can't add anything to Bear's response other than to agree. It is the total opposite from all we know. Applying for UP, if you were granted DSP prior to 2012 is far more debatable than after as the rules to get DSP were far easier than after 2012. Anyone granted after 2012 is far less likely to be reassessed. Why would they reaccess anyone only 6 months after being granted DSP? No better time to apply I would think. Maybe it's even a case of only those manifestly disabled even getting DSP at all under today's brutal rules. If so being manifestly means automatic UP. Go for it I say as it will better your life if you really want it to. Further; Do you have letters of support from your GP stating how youโre going to manage yourself outside of Australia? Your functional capacity, support network and medications etc? Never known anyone including myself to be asked to provide anything like that. Either before or after being granted UP. Since I got UP 10 years ago I have had no further contact with them at all. Heaven alone. โyou sound more naรฏve, negative, paranoid and judgemental.โ Thanks for the kind words. Really? you treat people like that for having an opinion contrary to your own? I said he should proceed with caution, if thatโs being negative in your mind then so be it. Dealing with CL isnโt something where due to your previous experiences it makes you an expert or self appointed veteran. If anything the longer youโve not had to deal with them intricately the less you know, because theyโre forever changing goal posts. Itโs quite easy to sit back and tell people to โgo for itโ based on criteria alone but that doesnโt necessarily translate into sound advice if youโre not the one putting your financial health on the line. Itโs careless and reckless advice imo. Firstly, bandwagon, can I politely ask why you joined the form? Its primary aim, as its name implies, is to give people advice through our lived experiences to get unlimited pension portability,(UP). Many of us here have it already so it can be achieved by going about it in ways that go by the rules which admin especially is up to date with these current rules. And we all have our own stories along the way to advise others on. We only encourage rather than try and deter those who want it to apply for it. If you are entitled to it and you do it the correct way you WILL get it. I personally have never read of anyone losing their DSP from just applying for it. Can you please share these cases if you know of any or your evidence for even suggesting it? Many here went through needless hell to get it while others had no problems at all. So if you want it go for it as you will not lose DSP unless you somehow falsely got it in the first place. Please tell us your story as we all did.
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Post by tasjo on Jun 14, 2023 21:02:34 GMT 7
Hi bandwagon,
As a forum we (admin and members) have always suggested that anyone applying for UP/IP do so with as much information as possible and in their own time.
However, as nomadic and bear have mentioned, these approved post 2012 have had a much higher chance of approval (perhaps purely due to the 'easier cross referencing' between the qualification for DSP and that for UP/IP).
I myself have not applied (for my own reasons, but the advice of the forum of making an informed choice (by obtaining my file by FOI, deciding a country - if any, many may wish to have UP/IP to extend the DSP Portability) still seem to me to be the most logical.
We have seen members apply immediately after being approved for DSP, others who have waited. The advice has remained the same across them all.
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Post by hopefulharry on Jun 17, 2023 8:52:01 GMT 7
Hi All ๐
Hopeful Harry here.
Iโm still thinking about applying for UP.
The forms have been sitting on my shelf for a few months now.
I got quite overwhelmed by the length/complexity of the forms - and never picked them up again. It might sound strange, but having to fill them in by hand is also a scary prospect!
Anywaysโฆ The reason for this post, and the biggest issue Iโm facing is this:
- My doctors are not very supportive and I had to fight with them to get the info for the initial DSP Application.
- I think they would be reluctant to sit down and spend hours filling out the Doctorโs Forms section with me.
- They didnโt support my initial application for DSP (they thought it would disincentivise me from working/being a part of society, etc).
- I donโt think theyโll support my application for UP.
QUESTION ๐โโ๏ธ
Does anyone on this forum have any recommendations for a GP/Doctor that is compassionate and easy to deal with?
I need to find someone who would be willing to spend a few hours with me, going through all my documents, filling out forms, etc
Cheers,
Harry ๐
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Post by bear on Jun 17, 2023 14:20:47 GMT 7
Unfortunately hopefulharry I doubt any medical professional that hasn't got a personal relationship, vested interest and full knowledge of your disability would be interested in sitting down for a few hours to help fill in the forms for UP just on you self reporting. If you have your File and 'My Health Record' which they could peruse before the appointment that may be a different matter. BTW; did you receive your file yet, under FOI or have you gone and gotten your JCA from an office. As previously stated, if you haven't received 20 points on one table and have NFWC, you won't get the portability. Cheers ๐ป
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Post by tasjo on Jun 17, 2023 21:01:35 GMT 7
Hi All ๐ Hopeful Harry here. Iโm still thinking about applying for UP. The forms have been sitting on my shelf for a few months now. I got quite overwhelmed by the length/complexity of the forms - and never picked them up again. It might sound strange, but having to fill them in by hand is also a scary prospect! Anywaysโฆ The reason for this post, and the biggest issue Iโm facing is this: - My doctors are not very supportive and I had to fight with them to get the info for the initial DSP Application. - I think they would be reluctant to sit down and spend hours filling out the Doctorโs Forms section with me. - They didnโt support my initial application for DSP (they thought it would disincentivise me from working/being a part of society, etc). - I donโt think theyโll support my application for UP. QUESTION ๐โโ๏ธ Does anyone on this forum have any recommendations for a GP/Doctor that is compassionate and easy to deal with? I need to find someone who would be willing to spend a few hours with me, going through all my documents, filling out forms, etc Cheers, Harry ๐ Depending on what your disability is Harry it may also be 'better' to get assistance via an advocate or support program of some kind? As an example, Anglicare (and others I believe) do programs that last for up to 2 years and provide a support worker for people with mental health disabilities to try and assist them through meeting every fortnight. Otherwise, possibly an appointment with a disability advocate? They may be able to assist with completing the UP/IP forms, but like bear said - it would be best to go once you have your FOI file.
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Post by nomadic on Jun 18, 2023 20:05:27 GMT 7
Tasjo stole my thunder. Many disabilities have advocacy people to help. Just try googling advocacy for your disability or in general. ABI advocacy people helped me a number of times over the years.
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Post by bear on Jun 21, 2023 12:29:50 GMT 7
Read the thread! The OP has been told of the risks on more than one occasion. "Go for it" wouldn't advise members to get their file and/or JCA report and that's what's been advised.
One problem with advice forums is that information tends to come in in dribs & drabs. The doubt held by the OP's medical professionals was only revealed in their last post. Not that the advice of get your info, study the tables, make up your own mind would've been any different. Seems as though a cautious approach has been proffered rather than a gung ho one!!. Cheers ๐ป
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Post by nomadic on Jun 21, 2023 20:12:19 GMT 7
I'm asking again. Does anyone know of any cases of people losing DSP who were granted it after 2012 losing it just for applying for UP? Or even if granted prior to 2012? Maybe there have been some but no evidence seen as yet. imho I cannot imagine anyone being reassessed if after 2012. Let alone in the last 6 or so months. Even Centrelink ae not that crazy. Are they?
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Post by JJJ88 on Jun 21, 2023 23:36:26 GMT 7
I'm asking again. Does anyone know of any cases of people losing DSP who were granted it after 2012 losing it just for applying for UP? Or even if granted prior to 2012? Maybe there have been some but no evidence seen as yet. imho I cannot imagine anyone being reassessed if after 2012. Let alone in the last 6 or so months. Even Centrelink ae not that crazy. Are they? None at all that I know of. From what I have read, all are grandfathered based on the approval of grant. J
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Post by tasjo on Jun 22, 2023 11:28:58 GMT 7
I'm asking again. Does anyone know of any cases of people losing DSP who were granted it after 2012 losing it just for applying for UP? Or even if granted prior to 2012? Maybe there have been some but no evidence seen as yet. imho I cannot imagine anyone being reassessed if after 2012. Let alone in the last 6 or so months. Even Centrelink ae not that5th crazy. Are they? I recall there was a member who had to go through to AAT level 2 to have his/her DSP reinstated after having applied for UP/IP. There are also cases on the astlii database of this occurring. As a 'generalisation', these cases are more likely to be people we have not engaged with specialists, don't have recent reports, have few connections to Australia and can't demonstrate that they fit the Centrelink criteria for UP/IP (which, whether we think is relevant or no, is what they have to meet). It's also the main reason why our advice is always that applying for UP/IP is a personal decision, but it should be made with all of the information available (ie a copy of your file via FOI)
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Post by itsmylife08 on Jun 22, 2023 11:37:39 GMT 7
I'm asking again. Does anyone know of any cases of people losing DSP who were granted it after 2012 losing it just for applying for UP? Or even if granted prior to 2012? Maybe there have been some but no evidence seen as yet. imho I cannot imagine anyone being reassessed if after 2012. Let alone in the last 6 or so months. Even Centrelink ae not that crazy. Are they? None at all that I know of. From what I have read, all are grandfathered based on the approval of grant. J I've known a few who were re-assessed under the old rules pre 2012 usually every 2 years it was the norm way back then nothing too dramatic really. As for post 2012 none at all and I'm one of them, 2013 to be precise!!! Cheers Itsa
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Post by thebruce on Jun 22, 2023 11:43:14 GMT 7
None at all that I know of. From what I have read, all are grandfathered based on the approval of grant. J I've known a few who were re-assessed under the old rules pre 2012 usually every 2 years it was the norm way back then nothing too dramatic really. As for post 2012 none at all and I'm one of them, 2013 to be precise!!! Cheers Itsa I have been on DSP since about 2000. I had two or three reassessments between it being granted and 2012. Since I did that portability application I haven't been called in for a reassessment. It's been nearly 10 years.
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Post by nomadic on Jun 22, 2023 20:10:13 GMT 7
I've known a few who were re-assessed under the old rules pre 2012 usually every 2 years it was the norm way back then nothing too dramatic really. As for post 2012 none at all and I'm one of them, 2013 to be precise!!! Cheers Itsa I have been on DSP since about 2000. I had two or three reassessments between it being granted and 2012. Since I did that portability application I haven't been called in for a reassessment. It's been nearly 10 years. When did you apply for Portability thebruce? Do you have it. Apologies if I have missed something. 10 years ago?
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