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Post by bluepup on Jul 25, 2023 12:26:06 GMT 7
Hi everyone. This is my first post here so I’m just looking for some advice. In September next year my husband and I are hoping to travel to the UK for the first ever time. I am on DSP and understand the rules are I can only spend 28 days overseas before my payment is stopped.
So with that in mind:
Firstly, if our plane leaves on say Sep 5, this means I need to re-enter Australia before midnight October 2. Is this correct?
Secondly, if for some reason our flight is delayed and we hit the passport scanners after 28 days, say after midnight Oct 2 at 12:20am, my DSP will be suspended but NOT cancelled and I won’t need to reapply?
Finally, if the second scenario does happen will my suspension be overturned once Centrelink becomes aware that I have re-entered the country through passport control? Or will I have to call them to instigate this?
I just want to make sure I do the right thing. I want to utilise the full 28 days but still have the reassurance that if a flight is delayed beyond our control that my DSP will only be temporarily suspended and I won’t have to go through the process of reapplying again. Many thanks.
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Post by nomadic on Jul 25, 2023 20:10:06 GMT 7
welcome bluepup. i think you have it correct in only suspended after 28 days but i'm sure someone else will clear it up for certain. but i can't believe you will be penalised if you are delayed beyond your control. it may also depend on when you were granted dsp for a review. if since 2012 it shouldn't trigger a review. prior and it may.
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Post by bear on Jul 25, 2023 21:52:08 GMT 7
Welcome to the forum bluepup . Your supposition is correct. To stay within the rules, 24 days away allowing 4 days for travel is more realistic, especially if you're not an experienced overseas traveller and; if your departure flight leaves at 11.35 pm on 5 th September that is classed as day one. So it can be easy to get caught out. The good news is, if you can self fund extra time away, you can stay outside Australia for an extra 13 weeks whilst on suspension. The downside to that is if you get caught short, you will be cancelled and have to make a new application for your DSP. To find out more regarding the above procedure and how to be reinstated should you inadvertently be waylaid, the people to call are Centrelink International Services (CIS) on 131673 who I think are available to take calls from 8 - 8.30 am till 5.00 pm Mon to Fri. Ask for a receipt number for any calls you make, as well as a letter setting out your travel plans. As they are based in Hobart, please make allowance for any time differences which may apply depending on your location, due to daylight savings time. Cheers 🐻 dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/7359/hi-traveling-receiving-dsp?page=1&scrollTo=75656 |
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Post by bluepup on Jul 26, 2023 13:24:52 GMT 7
welcome bluepup. i think you have it correct in only suspended after 28 days but i'm sure someone else will clear it up for certain. but i can't believe you will be penalised if you are delayed beyond your control. it may also depend on when you were granted dsp for a review. if since 2012 it shouldn't trigger a review. prior and it may. Oh now I am a bit worried. I was granted DSP before 2012. |
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Post by bluepup on Jul 26, 2023 13:27:11 GMT 7
Welcome to the forum bluepup . Your supposition is correct. To stay within the rules, 24 days away allowing 4 days for travel is more realistic, especially if you're not an experienced overseas traveller and; if your departure flight leaves at 11.35 pm on 5 th September that is classed as day one. So it can be easy to get caught out. The good news is, if you can self fund extra time away, you can stay outside Australia for an extra 13 weeks whilst on suspension. The downside to that is if you get caught short, you will be cancelled and have to make a new application for your DSP. To find out more regarding the above procedure and how to be reinstated should you inadvertently be waylaid, the people to call are Centrelink International Services (CIS) on 131673 who I think are available to take calls from 8 - 8.30 am till 5.00 pm Mon to Fri. Ask for a receipt number for any calls you make, as well as a letter setting out your travel plans. As they are based in Hobart, please make allowance for any time differences which may apply depending on your location, due to daylight savings time. Cheers 🐻 dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/7359/hi-traveling-receiving-dsp?page=1&scrollTo=75656Thanks for the info and link bear. |
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Post by nomadic on Jul 26, 2023 20:07:50 GMT 7
it is always the best advice to get your file under FOI. then you will find out how you are classified. Possibly, if manifest then unlikely you will be reviewed. they are not obliged to tell you what is in your file. you must find out yourself. then if manifest you could apply for pension portability even. U.P.
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Post by bluepup on Jul 30, 2023 14:09:25 GMT 7
it is always the best advice to get your file under FOI. then you will find out how you are classified. Possibly, if manifest then unlikely you will be reviewed. they are not obliged to tell you what is in your file. you must find out yourself. then if manifest you could apply for pension portability even. U.P. I had no idea you could do this, access my file under FOI. I am pretty certain I should be manifest but my DSP was granted well before 2012. |
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Post by bear on Jul 30, 2023 15:46:44 GMT 7
it is always the best advice to get your file under FOI. then you will find out how you are classified. Possibly, if manifest then unlikely you will be reviewed. they are not obliged to tell you what is in your file. you must find out yourself. then if manifest you could apply for pension portability even. U.P. I had no idea you could do this, access my file under FOI. I am pretty certain I should be manifest but my DSP was granted well before 2012. here's a link with 'how to' info and what to expect if you decide to apply for your file. Cheers 🐻 dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/7005/foi-denials-obfuscation?page=1&scrollTo=73279 |
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Post by nomadic on Jul 30, 2023 19:53:08 GMT 7
it is always the best advice to get your file under FOI. then you will find out how you are classified. Possibly, if manifest then unlikely you will be reviewed. they are not obliged to tell you what is in your file. you must find out yourself. then if manifest you could apply for pension portability even. U.P. I had no idea you could do this, access my file under FOI. I am pretty certain I should be manifest but my DSP was granted well before 2012. yes blue, I find it one of the most illegal, immoral laws ever made that Centrelink do not have to tell you what is in your file and most have no idea of this and trust them 100%. It cost me 8 years of my life as I was manifest but was never told. Only after a legal expert got my file for me and in 5 minutes found out what they had known all those years. oops, not illegal as politicians made it legal. |
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Post by tasjo on Aug 1, 2023 17:41:32 GMT 7
Hi Bluepup,
Apologies for the delay in a replying, I've just returned from overseas myself.
Unfortunately I don't yet have unlimited portability so, like you, am also on 28 days portability.
The pre or post 2012 grant of DSP shouldn't make any difference to whether you get a review except in terms of potentially how many points you have and 'flagging' if you exceed 28 days. It's definitely worth getting your file before you go so you at least know. Remember that there is no longer a 15 point category so any 15 point award is likely to be downgraded to 10 points. With some effort the pre 2012 and post 2012 tables can be cross referenced.
I have also exceeded the 4 weeks portability previously and all that happened was that my payment stopped and restarted when I returned to Australia (as long as it was within 13 weeks).
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Post by bluepup on Aug 9, 2023 11:24:05 GMT 7
Hi Bluepup, Apologies for the delay in a replying, I've just returned from overseas myself. Unfortunately I don't yet have unlimited portability so, like you, am also on 28 days portability. The pre or post 2012 grant of DSP shouldn't make any difference to whether you get a review except in terms of potentially how many points you have and 'flagging' if you exceed 28 days. It's definitely worth getting your file before you go so you at least know. Remember that there is no longer a 15 point category so any 15 point award is likely to be downgraded to 10 points. With some effort the pre 2012 and post 2012 tables can be cross referenced. I have also exceeded the 4 weeks portability previously and all that happened was that my payment stopped and restarted when I returned to Australia (as long as it was within 13 weeks).
Hi Tasjo
Sorry I only just logged back in and saw your message. My DSP I think was 'grandfathered' in 2005, so I really cannot remember what the impairment table looked like back then. I wasn't aware that there was once a 15 point level which could be potentially downgraded to 10. Being granted such a long time ago, I do worry that going over the 28 days (by accident only) could trigger a review. I should be manifest but as I said this was determined in mid 2004.
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Post by tasjo on Aug 9, 2023 18:40:57 GMT 7
Bluepup - if you aren't in a rush you could get your FOI file before you go to put your mind at ease.
There are people here who can assist once you have the file.
No, there is no more 15 points rating... 5, 10, 20 and 30 (I'm not sure there is a 40 point either). The 20 points tend to stay as 20 points but the 15 points 'can' be difficult.
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Post by nomadic on Aug 9, 2023 20:11:08 GMT 7
when my lawyer got my file under foi he told me i had been manifest since day 1 in 1996. i never actually saw the file though. so you may well be also.
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Post by bear on Aug 10, 2023 7:20:32 GMT 7
Don't worry bluepup; it's not good to worry. Options would be to plan to stay and self fund or if by accident; call CIS either way and, I've never heard of anyone getting reviewed if staying within the guidelines. Some members haven't even advised of staying more than 28 days but have had no problems and been reinstated upon return. Below is from the link, right at the very bottom of the table and further down; "DSP recipients subject to participation requirements". These provisions appear to be what they use to allow up to 13 extra weeks away as further unpaid trips are also allowed. "must be suspended for up to 13 weeks and then cancelled travels overseas for longer than 4 weeks in a rolling 12-month period without an approved extension or exemption, see 7.1.2.20" guides.dss.gov.au/social-security-guide/3/6/1/100CIS OS contact:- www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/phone-us?context=64107 |
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