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Post by spaceyone on Jun 12, 2012 20:56:39 GMT 7
I think that what Roxane is saying though is quite valid. We all know that it will be hard to qualify under the new tables, whether we want to travel or not.
Those who don't can stay under the radar, because we won't be applying for portability, until we are called up for review.
Those who do want to travel, draw attention to themselves and their case, and it will remain to be seen how many actually get to stay on DSP, after applying for portability.
Fit enough to travel, fit enough to stay here and work, will probably be the yardstick.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jun 13, 2012 1:22:20 GMT 7
Banjo, I would warn anyone against going into the Darwin Centrelink office and talk to the staff because they are abusive to DSP 'clients' or "customers".
Just use the telephones to contact International.
But if you are deaf, you are fuc*ed because you have to 'face' someone to try to convey your message.
And even when you ask for things to be written down they will just, "empatheticaly", move right along side of you and yell in your ear, as if that is communication.
I have to say that I believe that Centrelink is riddled with ageism and is now primed to be prejudiced against those in receipt of Disability Support Pensions.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jun 13, 2012 1:30:13 GMT 7
And if you send an email to centrelink and expect a communication by email, forget it.
Every response to a request is 'give us a call because if we email you it might breach your privacy'.
as someone else said........jesu critu
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Post by howdo on Jun 13, 2012 4:50:03 GMT 7
What makes you say that people applying for the new portability will lose the DSP if they don't qualify? I'd be curious as to your source for this information. [/quote] a C/L customer service person said that. When you apply, you have to go through a special assessment. There is the chance that in that point system you won't even qualify for the normal DPS, so you can lose your pension. It's a big risk to take unless you know for 100% that you do qualify. That was my understanding of that phone conversation. It worth to double check it anyway[/quote] I was also told I could be taken of dsp. This is clearly a tactic they have devised to scare people. It is going to cost them a fortune to re examine all the people that apply for unlimited portability.
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Post by spaceyone on Jun 13, 2012 7:26:57 GMT 7
I was also told I could be taken of dsp. This is clearly a tactic they have devised to scare people. It is going to cost them a fortune to re examine all the people that apply for unlimited portability. Yes, it could be a scare tactic. However, they didn't make those tables without intending to use them. Firstly on new applicants, then on anyone who comes up for review. To be allowed your previous freedom, you will have to get through this next hurdle.
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Post by rowdy on Jun 13, 2012 9:02:16 GMT 7
What makes you say that people applying for the new portability will lose the DSP if they don't qualify? I'd be curious as to your source for this information. a C/L customer service person said that. When you apply, you have to go through a special assessment. There is the chance that in that point system you won't even qualify for the normal DPS, so you can lose your pension. It's a big risk to take unless you know for 100% that you do qualify. That was my understanding of that phone conversation. It worth to double check it anyway[/quote] I was also told I could be taken of dsp. This is clearly a tactic they have devised to scare people. It is going to cost them a fortune to re examine all the people that apply for unlimited portability.[/quote] _______________________________________________ Well that will be a lot of people appealing to the SSAT then.
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Post by Banjo on Jun 13, 2012 9:13:45 GMT 7
There will be ill feeling at counter level in Centrelink about overseas portability, there always have been. Sure some will be refused and go to appeal, but I will tell you something right now. NO current long term DSP recipient will lose their pension. This will not a be a reassessment of their eligibility for the DSP, it's an assessment of their eligibility for unlimited portability.
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Post by rowdy on Jun 13, 2012 9:32:37 GMT 7
There will be ill feeling at counter level in Centrelink about overseas portability, there always have been. Sure some will be refused and go to appeal, but I will tell you something right now. NO current long term DSP recipient will lose their pension. This will not a be a reassessment of their eligibility for the DSP, it's an assessment of their eligibility for unlimited portability. I am more than happy for a reassessment as to my DSP eligibility. If that is what they request, then I will be straight off to my doctor/specialist for a report firstly which will of course be handed over at time of reassessment. I already know that I am 30 points under one table. If they want to now say I dont qualify for the DSP let alone unlimited portability then they will have a long fight on their hands. ARO > SSAT > AAT and a big Ombudsman's complaint thrown in for good measure. Just on a side note, if all these people applying for unlimited portability in which you have to be severely impaired in the first place (20 point ore more under one table) are going to get bumped off the DSP, then what does that say about all those that aren't severely impaired and receiving the DSP. Surely this would open a pandoras box and show systemic failings at Centrelink. Remember too that most of what you are told over the phone by Centrelink is just the person on the other ends interpretation of what that think they know. I have been told things that are clearly wrong, but it is easier just to agree than correct the person. As Banjo has said unless it is in black and white treat it cautiously. Over the last year I have made about 10 calls to Centrelink inquiring about unlimited portability. From those 10 calls I have probably had 10 different answers. What does that tell you.
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Post by zorro1 on Jun 13, 2012 11:07:43 GMT 7
A storm in a tea cup. If they did NOT want the disabled to remain overseas indefinatly they wouldn't have even brought it up, they could have just bundled everyone in to the 6 week rule.
IMO they will do there best to push us through the hoops and clear the way for a permanent exit as they can clearly see the benefit of launching the near dead to another planet if need be.
As Rowdy said, what will happen to the rest if the -20 dspers are booted off the dsp?
If you are seriously disabled its a done deal IMO
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Post by roxane on Jun 13, 2012 11:17:42 GMT 7
I called C/L again, and I got a very different information from the person I talked to yesterday. I can't believe how some ppl in C/L could provide you with completely wrong information! This person I talked today though was very nice and helpful. She said that the unlimited portability will be available from 01/07 and it is just a formal assessment for future work capacity. It's just a simple from a GP can fill out and after there is just a formal interview. It is not tested based on the point system as the person from C/L said before. Makes a big difference! For carers unfortunately it will be up to 6 weeks at a time. Stupid legislation cause if the person you care fore needs a full time carer, you either lose a few weeks payment or you come back to AU alone, or you both have to cut your holiday short.
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Post by rowdy on Jun 13, 2012 11:28:29 GMT 7
A storm in a tea cup. If they did NOT want the disabled to remain overseas indefinatly they wouldn't have even brought it up, they could have just bundled everyone in to the 6 week rule. IMO they will do there best to push us through the hoops and clear the way for a permanent exit as they can clearly see the benefit of launching the near dead to another planet if need be. As Rowdy said, what will happen to the rest if the -20 dspers are booted off the dsp? If you are seriously disabled its a done deal IMO EXACTLY Zorro, Only those that are 20 points or more (severely impaired) under ONE table are eligible to be considered. Now if they start assessing everyone who applies for unlimited portability and then booting them off the DSP, what does that say about all the other DSP'ers. If severely impaired DSP'ers are losing their entitlements doesn't Centrelink need to start looking at the whole system. They would know too that if they start booting people off they will be heading to the SSAT in droves. My strongest advice, is that when dealing with any assessment, forewarned is forearmed. Dont partake in ANY assessment without first seeing your own treating doctor/specialist etc.
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Post by breadrolls on Jun 13, 2012 11:34:09 GMT 7
I'm on hold for the last 20 minutes but am looking for an answer.
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Post by rowdy on Jun 13, 2012 11:36:27 GMT 7
I called C/L again, and I got a very different information from the person I talked to yesterday. I can't believe how some ppl in C/L could provide you with completely wrong information! This person I talked today though was very nice and helpful. She said that the unlimited portability will be available from 01/07 and it is just a formal assessment for future work capacity. It's just a simple from a GP can fill out and after there is just a formal interview. It is not tested based on the point system as the person from C/L said before. Makes a big difference!For carers unfortunately it will be up to 6 weeks at a time. Stupid legislation cause if the person you care fore needs a full time carer, you either lose a few weeks payment or you come back to AU alone, or you both have to cut your holiday short. Roxane, SORRY but that it clearly wrong: Section 1218AAA(2)"The Secretary is satisfied that the person’s impairment is a severe impairment (within the meaning of subsection 94(3B)". Section 94(3B)"A person's impairment is a severe impairment if the person's impairment is of 20 points or more under the Impairment Tables, of which 20 points or more are under a single Impairment Table".
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Post by roxane on Jun 13, 2012 11:38:16 GMT 7
[As Banjo has said unless it is in black and white treat it cautiously. Over the last year I have made about 10 calls to Centrelink inquiring about unlimited portability. From those 10 calls I have probably had 10 different answers. What does that tell you. [/quote]
I'm just guessing, from the 01/07 when the application will be available, also the information about the whole unlimited portability will be clearer. I hope this person I talked to today gave me the correct info and this whole application is just a formality.
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Post by rowdy on Jun 13, 2012 11:38:20 GMT 7
I'm on hold for the last 20 minutes but am looking for an answer. Call Centrelink International you will get through quicker. Also the general disability and carers line wont even know what you are talking about: (03) 362223455
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