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Post by Banjo on May 28, 2014 7:55:20 GMT 7
I had an early phone call this morning and the information is that the current government is about to abolish the SSAT level of Centrelink appeals.
I assume this means that any appeal will go direct from an unsuccessful Administrative Review (ARO) to the AAT; I'll let you work out how much this will bottle neck the system.
So anyone out there dithering about whether or not to appeal a Centrelink decision is strongly advised to get their arse into gear NOW.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 8:40:56 GMT 7
I had an early phone call this morning and the information is that the current government is about to abolish the SSAT level of Centrelink appeals. I assume this means that any appeal will go direct from an unsuccessful Administrative Review (ARO) to the AAT; I'll let you work out how much this will bottle neck the system. So anyone out there dithering about whether or not to appeal a Centrelink decision is strongly advised to get their arse into gear NOW. Yes l knew they would do that, so they can try to stop all the thousands they kick off the DSP over the next few years from appealing, is it hard to appeal to the AAT?
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Post by Banjo on May 28, 2014 8:57:14 GMT 7
Hmmm... well you might have let us know earlier, I still can't find a link.
The AAT is fairly simple but it takes a lot longer even now. What they do do is offer more opportunity to sort out the problem before it gets there, they try to talk it through, maybe make a deal if possible.
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Post by dani on May 28, 2014 9:18:40 GMT 7
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 9:28:16 GMT 7
Hmmm... well you might have let us know earlier, I still can't find a link. The AAT is fairly simple but it takes a lot longer even now. What they do do is offer more opportunity to sort out the problem before it gets there, they try to talk it through, maybe make a deal if possible. Just say l get reassessed and l lose my DSP and my appeal to the ARO gets rejected, would it be hard for me to appeal to the AAT, would l need new medical evidence or have a strong case or does everyone have to right to appeal to the AAT and is it expensive or free. l guess cutting appeal rights is the only way they can get away with shifting large numbers to newstart which they probably have planned over the next few years with reassessments
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Post by Banjo on May 28, 2014 9:38:52 GMT 7
We certainly have a constitutional right to appeal, it just doesn't say how long it should take. Many will drop out, which is what they want of course.
What should be looked at is Human Rights legislation to find out whether waiting for an unreasonable period of time is grounds to have the decision found in your favour.
I seem to recall this happening in criminal court cases.
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Post by Denis-NFA on May 28, 2014 10:05:01 GMT 7
Banjo, Just curious but as I understand it the SSAT is part of the entire fabric of Social Security legislation and would seem to involve some considerable redrafting of existing legislation. If there is a proposal on the table to eliminate the SSAT then I wonder what else may be included in the proposed amending legislation? www.ssat.gov.au/about-the-ssat
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Post by Banjo on May 28, 2014 14:56:45 GMT 7
Unfortunately I cannot give you the source of the information but I would consider it seriously. Maybe we could see the Act amended when and if the budget passes.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 15:42:52 GMT 7
Unfortunately I cannot give you the source of the information but I would consider it seriously. Maybe we could see the Act amended when and if the budget passes. It makes sense , if Abbott plans mass reassessments there would be mass appeals from the half of all DSP's who would lose their pension to the SSAT, so getting rid of the SSAT solves that problem for Abbott.
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Post by Denis-NFA on May 28, 2014 21:59:53 GMT 7
Apparently SSAT is not the only one to be eliminated.
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Post by dani on May 29, 2014 4:28:30 GMT 7
Apparently SSAT is not the only one to be eliminated. What other appeals will they get rid of? Surely they can't just get rid of all the appeals.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 5:51:30 GMT 7
Apparently SSAT is not the only one to be eliminated. What other appeals will they get rid of? Surely they can't just get rid of all the appeals. l guess getting rid of appeal rights would be the only way the liberals can shift large numbers of DSP's onto newstart because the system couldn't cope with tens of thousands of appeals all at once from the people who lose their pensions. If they plan to move 200,000 or even 400,000 DSP's onto newstart or some sort of new temporary payment that's lower then the DSP there would be massive appeal numbers.
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Post by Banjo on May 29, 2014 7:12:15 GMT 7
As the green one says, getting rid of the SSAT may not just be an internal budgetary matter.
Senior Centrelink staff have long resented what they consider to be unfair dismissals of some of their decisions by the appeals system, the pressure on the "independent" AROs must be tremendous.
This is one thing that they will work closely with the minister on and if there's a way of slipping it under the bar then I'm sure they will find it.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 7:33:05 GMT 7
What shits me is that if it takes 6-12 months to have your appeal heard at the AAT it's business as usual for that period...so if you have been booted off DSP unfairly then you have to jump through hoops and are at the mercy of the shifty job network all that time.
It doesn't seem right.
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Post by Banjo on May 29, 2014 8:46:33 GMT 7
In total disregard of the laws that govern the criminal justice system you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent.
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