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Post by chaks on Aug 16, 2023 10:38:19 GMT 7
Hi Guys, Hope everyone is well.
I am new to DSP, was granted my DSP in December 2022, for Mental health issues. I have recently applied for Indefinite Portability to have my payments made overseas awaiting approval from Centrelink.
When I was granted my DSP my psychiatrist has indicated that my condition will remain unchanged for 2 to 5 years, and centrelink granted my DSP with partial capacity to work of less than 8 hours per week.
I did tell the JCA officer my wife is overseas and that I desperately need to see her as my mental health isn't improving and only getting worse, I haven't worked since September 2020.
What are my chances of Indefinite portability being granted? Was hoping someone who has had a similar experience share there story.
Thank you, much appreciated.
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Post by chaks on Aug 16, 2023 12:02:23 GMT 7
Just to add, when I was granted my DSP my Psychiatrist assessed as having the following:
1) Self-care and independent living: Moderately impaired in this domain.
2) Social/recreational activities and travel: Severely impaired in this domain. 3) Interpersonal relationships: Extremely impacted and impaired in this domain.
4) Concentration and task completion: Severely impaired in this domain.
5) Behaviour planning and decision making: Extremely impaired in this domain.
6) Work and training capacity: Extremely impaired in this domain.
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Post by JJJ88 on Aug 16, 2023 12:59:51 GMT 7
Gday Chaks, welcome.
Based on your assessment in my honest opinion I don't think you will have a problem obtaining indefinite portability.
Have a chamomile tea while your waiting for your JCA assesment to be finalized because as we all know it can be a stressful time.
Cheers
J
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Post by bear on Aug 16, 2023 13:00:38 GMT 7
G'day chaks , welcome to the forum. Currently are you being paid single rate or married rate of DSP? I think you may have done yourself a disservice by mentioning your wife during your JCA assessment. If you're currently receiving single rate, were you aware of the likelihood of having your DSP cut to married rate when you go overseas. Your situation seems complex....... For instance, your wife is overseas. Is she a foreign national? Does she have permanent residency in Australia? Is she an Australian citizen? Is she on DSP IP/UP. Do you know whether you have over twenty points on the mental health table or, were you just trying your luck to obtain IP/UP? Did your psychiatrist fill out Portability forms saying your condition will 'Last at least Five Years'..... Because if he's said between two and five, I don't think you'll be granted Indefinite Portability. Perhaps another member can be more positive about your outcome, however without baring your soul, there's just not enough information for me to be positive about it. There's no limit to how many times you can apply and a new application addressing the criteria step by step would likely be easier than appealing, should your application fail. Cheers 🐻
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Post by bear on Aug 16, 2023 13:06:51 GMT 7
Gday Chaks, welcome. Based on your assessment in my honest opinion I don't think you will have a problem obtaining indefinite portability. Have a chamomile tea while your waiting for your JCA assesment to be finalized because as we all know it can be a stressful time. Cheers J I hope that you're correct JJJ88 . That was my first thought also but...... as you see I've made a mountain out of a mole hill for good reasons. Just too many variables as I see it with what's been written. Still chaks , fingers crossed; good luck. Cheers 🐻
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Post by JJJ88 on Aug 16, 2023 13:48:44 GMT 7
Gday Chaks, welcome. Based on your assessment in my honest opinion I don't think you will have a problem obtaining indefinite portability. Have a chamomile tea while your waiting for your JCA assesment to be finalized because as we all know it can be a stressful time. Cheers J I hope that you're correct JJJ88 . That was my first thought also but...... as you see I've made a mountain out of a mole hill for good reasons. Just too many variables as I see it with what's been written. Still chaks , fingers crossed; good luck. Cheers 🐻 Big Bear you are totally right. More info is needed. And worst case schenario if the JCA assesment does not approve for IP/UP, it can be done again once more supporting medical documentation has been gathered. Cheers J
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Post by chaks on Aug 16, 2023 15:56:12 GMT 7
G'day chaks, welcome to the forum. Currently are you being paid single rate or married rate of DSP? I think you may have done yourself a disservice by mentioning your wife during your JCA assessment. If you're currently receiving single rate, were you aware of the likelihood of having your DSP cut to married rate when you go overseas. Your situation seems complex....... For instance, your wife is overseas. Is she a foreign national? Does she have permanent residency in Australia? Is she an Australian citizen? Is she on DSP IP/UP. Do you know whether you have over twenty points on the mental health table or, were you just trying your luck to obtain IP/UP? Did your psychiatrist fill out Portability forms saying your condition will 'Last at least Five Years'..... Because if he's said between two and five, I don't think you'll be granted Indefinite Portability. Perhaps another member can be more positive about your outcome, however without baring your soul, there's just not enough information for me to be positive about it. There's no limit to how many times you can apply and a new application addressing the criteria step by step would likely be easier than appealing. Cheers 🐻 I am currently receiving the single rate for DSP, but I did advise CL of the recent overseas marriage and to have them fix this but they havent yet, my wife is from overseas and not an Australian citizen and awaiting her visa approval into Australia. My wife isn't on any payments, I was trying my luck to hopefully go overseas for my mental health. Yes my psychiatrist did fill our my forms and has ticked the 2 to 5 years box, and has also stated that my condition will remain unchanged within this period. I was just being honest in my JCA appointment.
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Post by bear on Aug 16, 2023 16:51:49 GMT 7
G'day chaks , welcome to the forum. Currently are you being paid single rate or married rate of DSP? I think you may have done yourself a disservice by mentioning your wife during your JCA assessment. If you're currently receiving single rate, were you aware of the likelihood of having your DSP cut to married rate when you go overseas. Your situation seems complex....... For instance, your wife is overseas. Is she a foreign national? Does she have permanent residency in Australia? Is she an Australian citizen? Is she on DSP IP/UP. Do you know whether you have over twenty points on the mental health table or, were you just trying your luck to obtain IP/UP? Did your psychiatrist fill out Portability forms saying your condition will 'Last at least Five Years'..... Because if he's said between two and five, I don't think you'll be granted Indefinite Portability. Perhaps another member can be more positive about your outcome, however without baring your soul, there's just not enough information for me to be positive about it. There's no limit to how many times you can apply and a new application addressing the criteria step by step would likely be easier than appealing. Cheers 🐻 I am currently receiving the single rate for DSP, but I did advise CL of the recent overseas marriage and to have them fix this but they havent yet, my wife is from overseas and not an Australian citizen and awaiting her visa approval into Australia. My wife isn't on any payments, I was trying my luck to hopefully go overseas for my mental health. Yes my psychiatrist did fill our my forms and has ticked the 2 to 5 years box, and has also stated that my condition will remain unchanged within this period. I was just being honest in my JCA appointment. To the best of my knowledge chaks ; whilst your wife is still overseas without you, there's nothing for them to fix/change. Crazy as it sounds but, when you get your Indefinite Portability and go overseas to be with her is when it'll likely be penalized i.e. cut to married rate. There is however an appeal for that called a 'section 24', though it's not automatic and they'll want to know all of your wife's and possibly her family's assets and her banking details at least, to have any chance of success. We have members in that situation, so perhaps they'll be able to give you some general advice on the open forum or via PM. Are you aware that once your wife arrives in Oz, although she'll be eligible for Medicare I think and may have be allowed to work, she won't be eligible for any government payments for four years; from memory. Anything she earns will also impact your payment. Once overseas you both may find that is really the best place to be, given the circumstances. Hats off to you for your honesty regarding the JCA, again but; there is such a thing when dealing with Centrelink as 'providing too much information'; unless you were asked outright about going overseas to be with your wife, rather than just for your mental health. Currently though it's the 2-5 years rather than 'at least 5 years' I see as the main stumbling block to success. Scroll to:- 'Indefinite portability of DSP - severely impaired disability support pensioner' in the link below. guides.dss.gov.au/social-security-guide/7/1/2/10As you probably already know, DSPers have one fully paid 28 day Portability period in one calendar year, though this can be.taken in whatever form you choose but, should you be able to self fund you can stay an extra 13 weeks suspended and be reinstated upon return. Another 13 weeks of self funded travel could be done by being suspended on departure. These 13 week periods can also be broken down into smaller increments. Keeping it below 184 days per year will not result in being flagged for non residency. Cheers 🐻
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Post by chaks on Aug 16, 2023 17:29:19 GMT 7
I am currently receiving the single rate for DSP, but I did advise CL of the recent overseas marriage and to have them fix this but they havent yet, my wife is from overseas and not an Australian citizen and awaiting her visa approval into Australia. My wife isn't on any payments, I was trying my luck to hopefully go overseas for my mental health. Yes my psychiatrist did fill our my forms and has ticked the 2 to 5 years box, and has also stated that my condition will remain unchanged within this period. I was just being honest in my JCA appointment. To the best of my knowledge chaks ; whilst your wife is still overseas without you, there's nothing for them to fix/change. Crazy as it sounds but, when you get your Indefinite Portability and go overseas to be with her is when it'll likely be penalized i.e. cut to married rate. There is however an appeal for that called a 'section 24', though it's not automatic and they'll want to know all of your wife's and possibly her family's assets and her banking details at least, to have any chance of success. We have members in that situation, so perhaps they'll be able to give you some general advice on the open forum or via PM. Are you aware that once your wife arrives in Oz, although she'll be eligible for Medicare I think and may have be allowed to work, she won't be eligible for any government payments for four years; from memory. Anything she earns will also impact your payment. Once overseas you both may find that is really the best place to be, given the circumstances. Hats off to you for your honesty regarding the JCA, again but; there is such a thing when dealing with Centrelink as 'providing too much information'; unless you were asked outright about going overseas to be with your wife, rather than just for your mental health. Currently though it's the 2-5 years rather than 'at least 5 years' I see as the main stumbling block to success. Scroll to:- 'Indefinite portability of DSP - severely impaired disability support pensioner' in the link below. guides.dss.gov.au/social-security-guide/7/1/2/10As you probably already know, DSPers have one fully paid 28 day Portability period in one calendar year, though this can be.taken in whatever form you choose but, should you be able to self fund you can stay an extra 13 weeks suspended and be reinstated upon return. Another 13 weeks of self funded travel could be done by being suspended on departure. These 13 week periods can also be broken down into smaller increments. Keeping it below 184 days per year will not result in being flagged for non residency. Cheers 🐻 Yeah once together will definitely receive the coupled rate and know of all the the other requirements once she arrives in Australia and have done my homework on all this, that's no issue for me at all. Im just hoping I get approved for Indefinite Portability. So i explained the situation to JCA officer over the phone appointment, that I have had my mental health condition for nearly 3 years now and was in a bad way so i decided to head overseas in April this year for a few months to have time away but i had met someone overseas and got married, in that time overseas I was starting to find myself again due to having my wife beside me and helping me, but the time came that I had to return home due to no funds, but once I returned home my mental health got even worse, so this is the reason I told the officer I need Indefinite Portability payment and was hoping to stay with my wife overseas until her visas gets approved as being with my wife was helping my mental health and being away from my wife made it even worse.
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Post by JJJ88 on Aug 16, 2023 17:33:11 GMT 7
Big Bear you should seriously be working for International Services IMHO.
Cheers
J
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Post by chaks on Aug 16, 2023 17:40:55 GMT 7
Just to add, when I was granted my DSP my Psychiatrist assessed as having the following: 1) Self-care and independent living: Moderately impaired in this domain. 2) Social/recreational activities and travel: Severely impaired in this domain. 3) Interpersonal relationships: Extremely impacted and impaired in this domain. 4) Concentration and task completion: Severely impaired in this domain. 5) Behaviour planning and decision making: Extremely impaired in this domain. 6) Work and training capacity: Extremely impaired in this domain. By the way would this accumulate to 20 points on the table? I was approved for my DSP with these findings.
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Post by JJJ88 on Aug 16, 2023 17:41:01 GMT 7
To the best of my knowledge chaks ; whilst your wife is still overseas without you, there's nothing for them to fix/change. Crazy as it sounds but, when you get your Indefinite Portability and go overseas to be with her is when it'll likely be penalized i.e. cut to married rate. There is however an appeal for that called a 'section 24', though it's not automatic and they'll want to know all of your wife's and possibly her family's assets and her banking details at least, to have any chance of success. We have members in that situation, so perhaps they'll be able to give you some general advice on the open forum or via PM. Are you aware that once your wife arrives in Oz, although she'll be eligible for Medicare I think and may have be allowed to work, she won't be eligible for any government payments for four years; from memory. Anything she earns will also impact your payment. Once overseas you both may find that is really the best place to be, given the circumstances. Hats off to you for your honesty regarding the JCA, again but; there is such a thing when dealing with Centrelink as 'providing too much information'; unless you were asked outright about going overseas to be with your wife, rather than just for your mental health. Currently though it's the 2-5 years rather than 'at least 5 years' I see as the main stumbling block to success. Scroll to:- 'Indefinite portability of DSP - severely impaired disability support pensioner' in the link below. guides.dss.gov.au/social-security-guide/7/1/2/10As you probably already know, DSPers have one fully paid 28 day Portability period in one calendar year, though this can be.taken in whatever form you choose but, should you be able to self fund you can stay an extra 13 weeks suspended and be reinstated upon return. Another 13 weeks of self funded travel could be done by being suspended on departure. These 13 week periods can also be broken down into smaller increments. Keeping it below 184 days per year will not result in being flagged for non residency. Cheers 🐻 Yeah once together will definitely receive the coupled rate and know of all the the other requirements once she arrives in Australia and have done my homework on all this, that's no issue for me at all. Im just hoping I get approved for Indefinite Portability. So i explained the situation to JCA officer over the phone appointment, that I have had my mental health condition for nearly 3 years now and was in a bad way so i decided to head overseas in April this year for a few months to have time away but i had met someone overseas and got married, in that time overseas I was starting to find myself again due to having my wife beside me and helping me, but the time came that I had to return home due to no funds, but once I returned home my mental health got even worse, so this is the reason I told the officer I need Indefinite Portability payment and was hoping to stay with my wife overseas until her visas gets approved as being with my wife was helping my mental health and being away from my wife made it even worse. You could do all sorts of things Chaks, your wife could claim the Carers payment especially if it improves your mental health being together Cheers J
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Post by JJJ88 on Aug 16, 2023 17:46:45 GMT 7
Just to add, when I was granted my DSP my Psychiatrist assessed as having the following: 1) Self-care and independent living: Moderately impaired in this domain. 2) Social/recreational activities and travel: Severely impaired in this domain. 3) Interpersonal relationships: Extremely impacted and impaired in this domain. 4) Concentration and task completion: Severely impaired in this domain. 5) Behaviour planning and decision making: Extremely impaired in this domain. 6) Work and training capacity: Extremely impaired in this domain. By the way would this accumulate to 20 points on the table? I was approved for my DSP with these findings. Without being specific it looks like it's the same as mine which was near 30 points
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Post by chaks on Aug 16, 2023 18:24:28 GMT 7
By the way would this accumulate to 20 points on the table? I was approved for my DSP with these findings. Without being specific it looks like it's the same as mine which was near 30 points Thanks for your reply, hopefully goes well, just concerned with the box ticked 2 to 5 years, but does state condition to remain unchanged in the 2 to 5 year period, Fingers crossed.
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Post by itsmylife08 on Aug 16, 2023 18:28:12 GMT 7
Hi chaks Welcome to the forum, your case is very similar to mine in many ways, in hindsight I wish I never told them anything least of all being married. Honesty is an admirable trait but after years of dealing with Centrelink, they wouldn't know what it was even if it came up and bit them on the arse. I would assume now that they know that you are married and living together they may get in touch and assess your situation, which could have a bearing on your pension so be mindful of that if they contact you, in other words, play your cards close to your chest. I would also like to point out that if you both travel together to Australia Immigration will share with Centrelink all your details including your wife's It's at this point from the date of arrival they will deem you to be a couple, and you will be paid the married rate, which is about $300 less than what you're getting at present, this is exactly what happened to me, and I had to repay the difference, just over a year ago, forewarned is forearmed, also bear in mind that this is a public forum so if you have access to it so have they. Sorry for all the doom and gloom but this is what you may come up against... Cheers Itsa
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