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Post by chaks on Aug 16, 2023 19:10:10 GMT 7
Hi chaks Welcome to the forum, your case is very similar to mine in many ways, in hindsight I wish I never told them anything least of all being married. Honesty is an admirable trait but after years of dealing with Centrelink, they wouldn't know what it was even if it came up and bit them on the arse. I would assume now that they know that you are married and living together they may get in touch and assess your situation, which could have a bearing on your pension so be mindful of that if they contact you, in other words, play your cards close to your chest. I would also like to point out that if you both travel together to Australia Immigration will share with Centrelink all your details including your wife's It's at this point from the date of arrival they will deem you to be a couple, and you will be paid the married rate, which is about $300 less than what you're getting at present, this is exactly what happened to me, and I had to repay the difference, just over a year ago, forewarned is forearmed, also bear in mind that this is a public forum so if you have access to it so have they. Sorry for all the doom and gloom but this is what you may come up against... Cheers Itsa  I am not currently living with my wife, she's overseas. But your right once she enters Australia they do get notified, hence why I told them I am married and don't have to repay a debt. I know the income will reduce which is crap, but nothing we can do unfortunately. Thanks for the heads up, much appreciated. 😊 |
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Post by bear on Aug 16, 2023 19:25:51 GMT 7
By the way would this accumulate to 20 points on the table? I was approved for my DSP with these findings. Without being specific it looks like it's the same as mine which was near 30 points If only it was as simple as having 20 points on one table JJJ88 Less than 8 hours might scrape through given the 2 extremely and 2 severely impaired ratings, but as I've said, it's the lack of duration that most concerns me. chaks if your JCA was more than six weeks ago, give Centrelink International Services (CIS) a call on 1316 73 and ask if they know how long the processing time may take and ask for a receipt no. for the call. IIRC, at it's longest was taking 3 months to receive a decision and at it's shortest about 3 weeks. Cheers 🐻 |
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Post by chaks on Aug 17, 2023 6:26:24 GMT 7
Without being specific it looks like it's the same as mine which was near 30 points If only it was as simple as having 20 points on one table JJJ88 Less than 8 hours might scrape through given the 2 extremely and 2 severely impaired ratings, but as I've said, it's the lack of duration that most concerns me. chaks if your JCA was more than six weeks ago, give Centrelink International Services (CIS) a call on 1316 73 and ask if they know how long the processing time may take and ask for a receipt no. for the call. IIRC, at it's longest was taking 3 months to receive a decision and at it's shortest about 3 weeks. Cheers 🐻 Yeah, I rang them yesterday, JCA report come through to CL 27/07, they told me I have to just wait and hopefully shouldn't be too long and they also left a note on the file that I've rang as well. Fingers crossed it goes well. 🙏 |
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Post by tasjo on Aug 17, 2023 9:10:56 GMT 7
Welcome to the forum Chaks.
As with bear- the main stumbling block that I can see for you is the duration of your disability and the evidence to back it up.
Although from memory I can't remember if there is the option on a DSP claim for a 5+ yrs unchanged. But, 2-5yrs would need to be addressed for IP to be given as it is another criteria. If you have 'only' been diagnosed for 3 years, it would definitely not hurt to have more supporting evidence.
Looking at the JCA, without knowing for sure it looks like you would probably have at least 20 points on one table.
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Post by chaks on Aug 17, 2023 9:53:53 GMT 7
Welcome to the forum Chaks. As with bear- the main stumbling block that I can see for you is the duration of your disability and the evidence to back it up. Although from memory I can't remember if there is the option on a DSP claim for a 5+ yrs unchanged. But, 2-5yrs would need to be addressed for IP to be given as it is another criteria. If you have 'only' been diagnosed for 3 years, it would definitely not hurt to have more supporting evidence. Looking at the JCA, without knowing for sure it looks like you would probably have at least 20 points on one table. Hi Thanks for your reply. There is a 2-5 year box which is TICKED on my paper work. There is also a MORE THAN 5 YEARS BOX which isn't ticked. But below there is also this this: WITHIN THE NEXT 5 YEARS THE EFFECT OF THIS CONDITION ON THE PATIENTS ABILITY TO FUNCTION IS EXPECTED TO: Improve or Dertoriate or REMAIN UNCHANGED My paperwork has been ticked as REMAIN UNCHANGED. Hope that this gets me over the line, as I am not in a good state at the moment and really struggling. |
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Post by bear on Aug 17, 2023 11:25:22 GMT 7
I still see the same problem because of one word; WITHIN Not ticking the MORE THAN box is probably just an oversight by the psyche, whom I wouldn't expect to know the finer points of IP applications. I hope it gets you over the line as well chaks, because no price can be put on gaining ones freedom to travel unhindered. Cheers 🐻 |
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Post by chaks on Aug 17, 2023 11:41:06 GMT 7
I still see the same problem because of one word; WITHIN Not ticking the MORE THAN box is probably just an oversight by the psyche, whom I wouldn't expect to know the finer points of IP applications. I hope it gets you over the line as well chaks, because no price can be put on gaining ones freedom to travel unhindered. Cheers 🐻 I have a feeling it was a oversight by the psyche as well and like you said doesn't know the finer points of IP applications. Maybe I should give the Psyche a call and clarify, if it was something he over looked on his end I could get a letter from him written up or something... would this be of any help? |
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Post by chaks on Aug 17, 2023 12:56:50 GMT 7
I also found these requirements online, it doesn't say 5 years or more, but states WITHIN a 5 year period.
WITHIN can surely be the 2 to 5 year period.
To be eligible for indefinite portability under these rules, a DSP recipient must:
have a severe impairment (1.1.S.127) which will persist at this level for at least the next 5 years (i.e. no significant improvement is expected to the level of impairment within this period), and
have no future work capacity, that is be prevented by their impairment from performing any work independently of a program of support within the next 5 years, or
be assessed as manifestly eligible for DSP under the current (post December 2002) manifest criteria.
A DSP recipient is accepted as being prevented from performing any work if, because of their impairment, they are deemed unlikely to have any capacity to undertake work in the open employment market in the next 5 years, even with interventions.
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Post by JJJ88 on Aug 17, 2023 13:21:20 GMT 7
I hope you get it. It will either be a yes or no. Probably a case of wait and see me thinks
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Post by bear on Aug 17, 2023 15:03:33 GMT 7
Probably not; because you're awaiting a result...... Good to know you have such a great relationship with your psyche though. Quite a few people struggle to have them onside to apply, let alone throughout the entire process. "have a severe impairment (1.1.S.127) which will persist at this level for at least the next 5 years (i.e. no significant improvement is expected to the level of impairment within this period), andhave no future work capacity........."
To get through on the above means you must have both. 'No Future Work Capacity' is 0-2 hours. Though plenty of people have been granted on 2-8 hours due to other factors i.e. Extremely incapacitated X 2 & Severely Incapacitated X 2 definitely trumps Severely Incapacitated X 4.
Since finding this forum myself many many years ago, my mind still boggles at why our government offers options to all sorts of things, then legislates to make them all but impossible to get. Especially when considering the savings they make by people having permanent portability, living overseas.
And.... they're the ones with everyone's disabilities on file, so, they're the ones who could just run every file with 20 + points on one table through an algorithm and send out a one time letter of offer for IP. Crazy....... but I guess that how penal colonies work!!
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Post by tasjo on Aug 17, 2023 19:46:27 GMT 7
I really hate to say it Chaks but you would still be asking your Psych to have a crystal ball as they didn't diagnose you until 3 yrs ago.
I believe this 'may' be why they have ticked the boxes as they have... it may not make a difference but it's the main thing I can see as a stumbling block.
But, don't panic and wait for your JCA - it must feel like you just want an answer. Also, try to remember to get a receipt number when you do talk to Centrelink.
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Post by chaks on Aug 24, 2023 11:17:38 GMT 7
Hi all,
Just an update, unfortunately I was rejected as many of you predicted.
I did appeal and within the next 2 days someone will call me asking why I believe the decision was wrong.
I have also sent them a letter of support for Indefinite Portability payment from my psychiatrist for more medical evidence.
What will I be asked and recommend to say?
Thanks.
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Post by bear on Aug 24, 2023 14:01:44 GMT 7
Hi all, Just an update, unfortunately I was rejected as many of you predicted. I did appeal and within the next 2 days someone will call me asking why I believe the decision was wrong. I have also sent them a letter of support for Indefinite Portability payment from my psychiatrist for more medical evidence. What will I be asked and recommend to say? Thanks. What you'll be asked is a question I wouldn't presume to be able to answer chaks. What I'd recommend to say is; be truthful, as by doing that there's less likelihood of getting tripped up later. I cannot recall an appeal being handled in this way before. Perhaps it's a Customer Service Officer (CSO) review. If so it's likely to be denied, as the majority of them are. If so there are two options; a new application or through the AAT. But let's put those aside for now. You've already done the experiment and know your mental health is much better when you're overseas and your psychiatrist agrees with you. Remember to ask for that receipt number and in cases such as this, the call may come in as 'private number'; so answer your calls if you're prone not to. Cheers 🐻 |
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Post by chaks on Aug 24, 2023 14:29:39 GMT 7
Hi all, Just an update, unfortunately I was rejected as many of you predicted. I did appeal and within the next 2 days someone will call me asking why I believe the decision was wrong. I have also sent them a letter of support for Indefinite Portability payment from my psychiatrist for more medical evidence. What will I be asked and recommend to say? Thanks. What you'll be asked is a question I wouldn't presume to be able to answer chaks. What I'd recommend to say is; be truthful, as by doing that there's less likelihood of getting tripped up later. I cannot recall an appeal being handled in this way before. Perhaps it's a Customer Service Officer (CSO) review. If so it's likely to be denied, as the majority of them are. If so there are two options; a new application or through the AAT. But let's put those aside for now. You've already done the experiment and know your mental health is much better when you're overseas and your psychiatrist agrees with you. Remember to ask for that receipt number and in cases such as this, the call may come in as 'private number'; so answer your calls if you're prone not to. Cheers 🐻 Yes sounds good, thank you. 👍 |
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Post by bear on Aug 24, 2023 17:04:48 GMT 7
chaks if you're close to a local Centrelink office drop by asap and ask for a copy of you IP application JCA. It was my slip up failing to mention that in my previous post. Sorry about that!! It may help with answers to any questions they ask. Perhaps it's cutting it short but it will definitely be a help for another attempt; as will your file, which is obtained through FOI. There's a basic form letter at # 1 in the link on how to get that. Cheers 🐻 dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/7005/foi-denials-obfuscation?page=1&scrollTo=73279
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