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Post by bandwagon on Oct 27, 2023 17:55:25 GMT 7
Personally I think if you have 40 points in 2 tables as you said 20 points per table then I think you would have a great chance of getting IP but its your decision if you want to apply but I would be getting your jca assessment to see how many points per table you were given before applying and if its 20 points in one table then I'd say go for it and enjoy your life overseas with no hassle from centrelink Thanks for the reply Anthony, yes I did get a copy of JCA, and it's 40 points, 20 each in two different tables. I'm going to hold off for now though and look closer again mid 2024. Just putting some feelers out to see where I might stand. I've also now got the complications of having to get blood tests (Nothing to do with DSP claim) every 3 months as I'm in a position where I'm on the borderline of having blood cancer or CLL as they call it, that's only happened recently so lucky me. I'm not sure if I could get the required flow cytometry or "full blood tests" reliably if living OS, that's another reaon I will wait until 2024. Thanks for reply mate. βοΈ
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Post by bear on Oct 27, 2023 22:03:48 GMT 7
No worries bandwagon 'n' you're welcome. It appears they may expect a reduction in that number should you ever update your medical evidence........ About the 5 years..... That is for your medical team to state for Centrelink's consideration and hopefully acceptance along with a 'No Future Work Capacity' clause/recommendation Essentially it's up to them to tell Centrelink they've almost got it right but not quite so here's an update of the situation along with this IP / UP application. Which hopefully will be supported wholeheartedly by them, with their rationale as to why they are recommending IP outlined in their update.I hope you overcome your lack of close trusted medical professionals situation. All the best; cheers π»
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Post by anthonydsp on Oct 28, 2023 8:14:19 GMT 7
Personally I think if you have 40 points in 2 tables as you said 20 points per table then I think you would have a great chance of getting IP but its your decision if you want to apply but I would be getting your jca assessment to see how many points per table you were given before applying and if its 20 points in one table then I'd say go for it and enjoy your life overseas with no hassle from centrelink Thanks for the reply Anthony, yes I did get a copy of JCA, and it's 40 points, 20 each in two different tables. I'm going to hold off for now though and look closer again mid 2024. Just putting some feelers out to see where I might stand. I've also now got the complications of having to get blood tests (Nothing to do with DSP claim) every 3 months as I'm in a position where I'm on the borderline of having blood cancer or CLL as they call it, that's only happened recently so lucky me. I'm not sure if I could get the required flow cytometry or "full blood tests" reliably if living OS, that's another reaon I will wait until 2024. Thanks for reply mate. βοΈ Even if you apply now and it's granted then you don't have to leave the country until you are ready its not like if your granted IP then you have to leave straight away you go when you want to and im sorry to hear about the situation you are going through at the moment if you apply now its one less thing you have to worry about
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Post by bandwagon on Oct 28, 2023 20:45:48 GMT 7
No worries bandwagon 'n' you're welcome. It appears they may expect a reduction in that number should you ever update your medical evidence........Β About the 5 years..... That is for your medical team to state for Centrelink's consideration and hopefully acceptance along with a 'No Future Work Capacity' clause/recommendation Essentially it's up to them to tell Centrelink they've almost got it right but not quite so here's an update of the situation along with this IP / UP application. Which hopefully will be supported wholeheartedly by them, with their rationale as to why they are recommending IP outlined in their update.I hope you overcome your lack of close trusted medical professionals situation.Β All the best; cheers π» Thanks mate I'll see what 2024 brings and go from there. All the best. π
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Post by bandwagon on Oct 28, 2023 20:49:34 GMT 7
Thanks for the reply Anthony, yes I did get a copy of JCA, and it's 40 points, 20 each in two different tables. I'm going to hold off for now though and look closer again mid 2024. Just putting some feelers out to see where I might stand. I've also now got the complications of having to get blood tests (Nothing to do with DSP claim) every 3 months as I'm in a position where I'm on the borderline of having blood cancer or CLL as they call it, that's only happened recently so lucky me. I'm not sure if I could get the required flow cytometry or "full blood tests" reliably if living OS, that's another reaon I will wait until 2024. Thanks for reply mate. βοΈ Even if you apply now and it's granted then you don't have to leave the country until you are ready its not like if your granted IP then you have to leave straight away you go when you want to and im sorry to hear about the situation you are going through at the moment if you apply now its one less thing you have to worry about Thanks Anthony, I didn't know about that, so another important nugget of information that is very relevant. I think that provides a bit of a safety net so you're not actually overseas sweating it out while waiting for a result. Just one other question that has come to mind, do they also look at pr question your reasoning for wanting IP, be that financial reasons, relationship reasons etc or is it the case that all they're interested in is the medical side of things? Cheers. βοΈ
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Post by anthonydsp on Oct 29, 2023 7:59:39 GMT 7
No they don't look at the financial side or relationship side of things they just assess you for IP has nothing to do with relationship or financial its just to assess you for the qualification for IP
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Post by bear on Oct 29, 2023 9:20:03 GMT 7
........ and come back when or if you want to.
Although Indefinite may make it sound as if you have to leave indefinitely, that's not the case. What IP/UP provides you with is the last vestiges of freedom that they hoped to keep from you. No more asking permission, no more worries over what's coming next and a stable regular income when outside of the country. It's a joy to have it! Cheers π»
P.S. If you were to apply for your actual file under FOI and include your medical reports in what you want, having the reports may pave the way to a new relationship with new doctors, instead of going in cold and having to go through everything again with them.
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Post by bandwagon on Oct 29, 2023 15:52:03 GMT 7
........ and come back when or if you want to. Although Indefinite may make it sound as if you have to leave indefinitely, that's not the case. What IP/UP provides you with is the last vestiges of freedom that they hoped to keep from you. No more asking permission, no more worries over what's coming next and a stable regular income when outside of the country. It's a joy to have it! Cheers π» P.S. If you were to apply for your actual file under FOI and include your medical reports in what you want, having the reports may pave the way to a new relationship with new doctors, instead of going in cold and having to go through everything again with them.Β Thanks Bear, thought that may be the case.
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Post by bandwagon on Oct 29, 2023 15:55:48 GMT 7
........ and come back when or if you want to. Although Indefinite may make it sound as if you have to leave indefinitely, that's not the case. What IP/UP provides you with is the last vestiges of freedom that they hoped to keep from you. No more asking permission, no more worries over what's coming next and a stable regular income when outside of the country. It's a joy to have it! Cheers π» P.S. If you were to apply for your actual file under FOI and include your medical reports in what you want, having the reports may pave the way to a new relationship with new doctors, instead of going in cold and having to go through everything again with them.Β Thanks Bear, thought that may be the case. Thanks for the advice re doctors. π And yes it seems like it's a control measure, put in place to limit the potential enjoyment in life.
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Post by bandwagon on Dec 30, 2023 14:20:51 GMT 7
Hello all, hope you had a great Christmas.
I'm back and still stewing over this, mainly because of my change of doctors.
Just another question, If anyone knows, given That my DSP was granted in 2022 (thus a very recent JCA) if I were to apply for UP/IP would the information from those medical reports suffice in your options?
Or is it an unwritten rule that you must have reconfirmation of said reports by medical professionals that are specific to an UP/IP application?
Just trying to understand the inner workings of it as I said previously I have a copy of my JCA with 20 points in 2 tables and no capacity for work more than 7 hours per week.
I have no relationship with any medical professionals as most of my psychiatric reports were from panels of psychiatrists not as an individual patient and my GP is no longer there.
So I'm trying to guage what I will need to do from the medical evidence side of things, if I can predominantly use my recent JCA reports and GP reports from 2022 then I would be semi confident in applying but if it's going to require a plethora of "new" information then I have a long road ahead building new relationships with medical professionals that will cringe at the thought of writing reports and also charge me like a wounded bull.
Any input from people experienced in this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks π
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Post by Denis-NFA on Dec 30, 2023 15:59:57 GMT 7
bandwagonI was living in Cairns in 2012/2013 when I jumped through the hoops of updating medicals and applying for IP/UP and doing the JCA. My medicals were not as current as yours. But the doctor I had for all that time, and I basically walked in off the street and told him that I wanted to apply for UP and could he help me through the process. He was a good one. If you live in a larger town or city then you should be able to access one of the social services organizations who often help people through the process or alternatively go doctor shopping and ask for that help to obtain UP. Wherever you live whether in an area with limited services or somewhere with more choices I would still talk to International Services and ask them what you will need to do. I found them very helpful. Hang in there and have a good New Year. Cheers Denis-NFA
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Post by bandwagon on Dec 30, 2023 16:11:21 GMT 7
bandwagonI was living in Cairns in 2012/2013 when I jumped through the hoops of updating medicals and applying for IP/UP and doing the JCA. My medicals were not as current as yours. But the doctor I had for all that time, and I basically walked in off the street and told him that I wanted to apply for UP and could he help me through the process. He was a good one. If you live in a larger town or city then you should be able to access one of the social services organizations who often help people through the process or alternatively go doctor shopping and ask for that help to obtain UP. Wherever you live whether in an area with limited services or somewhere with more choices I would still talk to International Services and ask them what you will need to do. I found them very helpful. Hang in there and have a good New Year. Cheers Denis-NFA Hi Dennis, thank you for the advice. Great idea abiut social worker, I will look into that. Unfortunately I live remote so I'm really limited to the small pool of GP's here and, well let's just say English isn't their first language. There is one really great doctor but she isn't accepting new patients. Thanks again for the input. βοΈ
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Post by bandwagon on Dec 30, 2023 19:41:09 GMT 7
I probably should also have added that both my specialists and original GP reports all said specifically in the reports that I will never have any capacity to work again.
I have ENT reports stating same.
So I think that might help narrow down my question, it comes down to:
"Do I need to have new medical professionals "concur" with both previous specialist and GP prior evidence that guided the creation and substance within the body of my recent JCA/DSP approval from late 2022?"
Thanks in advance for any advice or anecdotal similarities/shared experiences. π
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Post by bear on Dec 31, 2023 5:51:21 GMT 7
I probably should also have added that both my specialists and original GP reports all said specifically in the reports that I will never have any capacity to work again. I have ENT reports stating same. So I think that might help narrow down my question, it comes down to: "Do I need to have new medical professionals "concur" with both previous specialist and GP prior evidence that guided the creation and substance within the body of my recent JCA/DSP approval from late 2022?" Thanks in advance for any advice or anecdotal similarities/shared experiences. π I'd say NO; given that you have ongoing medical support. But I'd have your new medical professionals read all of the reports thoroughly and use Centrelink terminology from the tables regarding your conditions when filling out their part and include copies of the reports in the application. Cheers π»
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Post by bandwagon on Dec 31, 2023 15:49:07 GMT 7
I probably should also have added that both my specialists and original GP reports all said specifically in the reports that I will never have any capacity to work again. I have ENT reports stating same. So I think that might help narrow down my question, it comes down to: "Do I need to have new medical professionals "concur" with both previous specialist and GP prior evidence that guided the creation and substance within the body of my recent JCA/DSP approval from late 2022?" Thanks in advance for any advice or anecdotal similarities/shared experiences. π I'd say NO; given that you have ongoing medical support. But I'd have your new medical professionals read all of the reports thoroughly and use Centrelink terminology from the tables regarding your conditions when filling out their partΒ and include copies of the reports inΒ the application. Cheers π» Thanks for the advice Bear. Regarding new medical professionals it sounds like I need to find the right one as Dennis said he was able to do. And then try and progress as you suggested using the centerlink terminology. If you were in my shoes would you wait until the initial 2 years has passed before applying or do you think it won't make a difference? Thanks again. π
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