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Post by Denis-NFA on Dec 31, 2023 16:05:13 GMT 7
bandwagonYou'll never know if you don't have a go! The worst that can happen is they deny you UP. Then you've got something to work with, if you want to pursue your claim.
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Post by bear on Dec 31, 2023 19:12:24 GMT 7
bandwagon You'll never know if you don't have a go! The worst that can happen is they deny you UP. Then you've got something to work with, if you want to pursue your claim. IMHO Denis-NFA, it would be either a very brave or very foolish decision maker who denied a portability application where two lots of medical professionals have stated only a year ago that the client has NFWC, particularly when knowing full well the option to appeal is available all the way to the High Court to anyone wishing to pursue it that far and for free as well. Cheers 🐻
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Post by bandwagon on Dec 31, 2023 19:39:15 GMT 7
bandwagonYou'll never know if you don't have a go! The worst that can happen is they deny you UP. Then you've got something to work with, if you want to pursue your claim. True, ill never know if I don't have a go. If not being approved for UP is the worst that can happen it's a no trainer, but I've read many times about the scare tactics about losing DSP entirely. I doubt this would happen but tbh I'm shit scared that it could. I think it's my lack of mental strength that defaults back to fight or flight mode and with Centerlink my instinct is flight. Thanks for the encouragement to have a crack though, it means a lot and is reassuring. ✌️
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Post by bandwagon on Dec 31, 2023 19:43:08 GMT 7
bandwagon You'll never know if you don't have a go! The worst that can happen is they deny you UP. Then you've got something to work with, if you want to pursue your claim. IMHO Denis-NFA, it would be either a very brave or very foolish decision maker who denied a portability application where two lots of medical professionals have stated only a year ago that the client has NFWC, particularly when knowing full well the option to appeal is available all the way to the High Court to anyone wishing to pursue it that far and for free as well. Cheers 🐻 I know it wasn't addressed to me but that was reassuring to read, thanks for that. I haven't seen him post for a while but do you or anyone else know if Harry ended up being approved for UP? ✌️
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Post by bear on Jan 1, 2024 1:48:19 GMT 7
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jan 1, 2024 16:38:13 GMT 7
bandwagonI'd still encourage you to talk to International Services and explain your situation. I don't know about anyone else's experiences with International Services but I always found them very helpful. They are not going to cancel your DSP for asking questions. Cheers.
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Post by bear on Jan 1, 2024 17:24:29 GMT 7
CIS are definitely helpful & friendly Denis-NFA but I've found them to be quite circumspect in how they go about answering direct questions. I believe it's part of their remit to keep clients away from their personal information in phone calls and suggest an FOI request instead, in order to protect not only themselves but the department also should things turn sour further down the track. That's how it went down with me at least...... a nice chat about things in general but a total waste of my time in gleaning any of my personal information to put perspective to the portability conundrum. Others may have had better luck!! Cheers 🐻
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Post by tasjo on Jan 1, 2024 20:54:31 GMT 7
Bandwagon - one way to approach UP/IP may also be to get the application forms, and then make an appointment with an advocacy service and see how they can assist
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Post by bandwagon on Jan 2, 2024 18:46:30 GMT 7
Bandwagon - one way to approach UP/IP may also be to get the application forms, and then make an appointment with an advocacy service and see how they can assist Hi, It sounds like a plan and a great idea. At least with the forms I'll be able to make a more informed decision about whether or not I want to proceed. Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it. ✌️
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Post by bandwagon on Apr 6, 2024 15:33:50 GMT 7
Hello guys hope you are all well.
I've been reading some AAT appeals and it's kind of scary to see how they use information against people.
No doubt this is within their rights and relevant to each particular scenario but it really surprised me how many different ways/angles they use to either make the person seem like a liar and or their doctors and in some cases both.
In particular I just read a couple where guys have been on the DSP for many years and applied for portability only to find their application triggered a review which then saw them lose the DSP entirely.
That must be very sound crushing for the applicants.
Anyway, one thing that stood out to me was how they can use a desire to to fly to a destination independently against the person.
Summed up in this paragraph-
"on the basis that he wanted to travel (alone) to the USA to meet up with friends. As noted in my original report, if a person is able to travel independently to another country plus is able to manage to speak to friends via the internet for up to 2 hours at a time, in my opinion the person can be stated to have at least 'some' work capacity."
Using that as a guide it would suggest that anyone who can make it to an airport to fly isn't elegible for the DSP. 🤷♂️
Which leads me to this question, it was suggested to me that you can apply without having to have a ticket in-hand or indeed a destination, so I'm curious if I apply without these things is that less information that can be potentially used against me or will it not likely have any bearing?
Or are travel plans required to be submitted anecdotally to my doctor/specialist and form a part of their report?
Thanks. ✌️
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Post by bear on Apr 7, 2024 5:28:45 GMT 7
No; travel plans aren't required to make an application, though having them will get you the JCA appointment quicker. Making an application simply indicates an interest in exploring an option that is available to all DSP recipients with some work capacity i.e. 0 - 7 hrs.
If you qualify for full portability just rely on the documentation and as advised in another thread; air travel isn't public transport either, because it's highly regulated and secure. If overseas travel was a reason to deny DSP, there wouldn't be any portability options available imo. Cheers 🐻
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Post by anthonydsp on Apr 8, 2024 5:43:05 GMT 7
Hello guys hope you are all well. I've been reading some AAT appeals and it's kind of scary to see how they use information against people. No doubt this is within their rights and relevant to each particular scenario but it really surprised me how many different ways/angles they use to either make the person seem like a liar and or their doctors and in some cases both. In particular I just read a couple where guys have been on the DSP for many years and applied for portability only to find their application triggered a review which then saw them lose the DSP entirely. That must be very sound crushing for the applicants. Anyway, one thing that stood out to me was how they can use a desire to to fly to a destination independently against the person. Summed up in this paragraph- "on the basis that he wanted to travel (alone) to the USA to meet up with friends. As noted in my original report, if a person is able to travel independently to another country plus is able to manage to speak to friends via the internet for up to 2 hours at a time, in my opinion the person can be stated to have at least 'some' work capacity." Using that as a guide it would suggest that anyone who can make it to an airport to fly isn't elegible for the DSP. 🤷♂️ Which leads me to this question, it was suggested to me that you can apply without having to have a ticket in-hand or indeed a destination, so I'm curious if I apply without these things is that less information that can be potentially used against me or will it not likely have any bearing? Or are travel plans required to be submitted anecdotally to my doctor/specialist and form a part of their report? Thanks. ✌️ what website is that to read the AAT appeals i had it ages ago but cant remember it lol
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Post by bear on Apr 8, 2024 6:19:18 GMT 7
Hi anthonydsp , I don't know whether there is a dedicated website to read AAT decisions. They do publish regular bulletins in .pdf form though. I made a quick search using this search term:- aat dsp austlii It's a starting point if nothing else. Perhaps expanding it to, 'aat dsp austlii/' add type of case; i.e. portability, cancellation, residency etc. would provide links that you're interested in. Cheers 🐻
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Post by anthonydsp on Apr 8, 2024 6:40:59 GMT 7
Hi anthonydsp , I don't know whether there is a dedicated website to read AAT decisions. They do publish regular bulletins in .pdf form though. I made a quick search using this search term:- aat dsp austlii It's a starting point if nothing else. Perhaps expanding it to, 'aat dsp austlii/' add type of case; i.e. portability, cancellation, residency etc. would provide links that you're interested in. Cheers 🐻 thanks bear il look it up
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Post by Banjo on Apr 8, 2024 6:59:39 GMT 7
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