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Post by immiadvice on May 4, 2012 14:17:21 GMT 7
The point I was trying to make (but didn't word it well) waqs that, as Banker predicted years ago, was that the government is trying to get rid of the DSP. They will have a pension system for the severely disabled and everyone else (including the majority of the DSP now) will be on newstart.
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Post by zingzingzing on May 4, 2012 14:19:40 GMT 7
That is not how I read it. I believe they want those that can work in a job. Those with no future work capacity can do what they want. Basically its the end of the DSP as we know it. I find it naive that you feel so safe in the knowledge they will supposedly say you have no work capacity. Very naive. Unless you're blind. Are you blind? Not in a sarcastic way am I saying this, I mean guide dog blind. Everyone else they'll find a way to say you can work. Why are you so against those disabled? To me you are rude.
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Post by anotherdsp on May 4, 2012 14:59:24 GMT 7
WAS I Still asleep this morn or did i read a post that stated they are sending all foreign pensioners home? cant seem to find it??
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Post by zorro1 on May 4, 2012 15:07:51 GMT 7
You people don't seriously trust Centerlink's ability to safely ensure you are properly defined as having no work capacity do you? And you seriously believe you won't just be called back to Australia for another assessment at a random time in the future? Or that future governments won't chop and change these rules as much as they have been changed in the last ten years? Face it. No one is safe. No one. Mr brown, settle down please You will probably know that most of us are in the "severe category" and they have confirmed it, we get unlimited portability so nothing changes " some people may even take their own lives" nothing more than insensitive scare mongering, I take it your not overseas right? yes its a kick in the guts I dont think anyone saw this come
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Post by anotherdsp on May 4, 2012 15:14:41 GMT 7
ok found it,
well they say o/s pensioners can go home!!
ok i have mentioned this a few times about the reduction of pension money in and out of the country,
the money in has basically has been reduced by half in the past 5 years i think??( this is where this witch hunt of residency probably stemmed from IMO) and we are coping the flak or fallout of this??
DONT GET ME wrong i am not saying anything about anyone( i am not racist) IT IS i was doing the maths on this and it was the conclusion that i came up with!!
but TO WHAT END I DO NOT KNOW!!
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Post by browne on May 4, 2012 15:17:06 GMT 7
I find it naive that you feel so safe in the knowledge they will supposedly say you have no work capacity. Very naive. Unless you're blind. Are you blind? Not in a sarcastic way am I saying this, I mean guide dog blind. Everyone else they'll find a way to say you can work. Yes, I am visually impaired. Yes, I have zero work capacity based on a medical review done this January. So how do you even read this internet forum if you're blind?
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Post by zorro1 on May 4, 2012 15:29:21 GMT 7
why would you ask a blind person if they are blind in a forum in the first place I just had a thought.. 8 times a year may work out in our favor. This would lead to a top end platinum card with any major airline and 2 free trips a year plus at least one thousand worth of free food and top end wine in the lounges...hmmm will have to crunch some numbers
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Post by Banjo on May 4, 2012 15:39:08 GMT 7
OK, OK, settle down all. At the moment it's all "wait and see". I've never trusted any of their promises, but I cannot see them going back on their word now, it's been made too publicly. We're not talking GST and carbon tax here, those were billion dollar lies, we're pretty small fish and it's been acknowledged it's cheaper to have us out of the country anyway.
Mr Browne, I'm surprised at your questioning people's disabilities when you have been so sensitive about criticism of your own in your previous guises. The blind have ways of reading just as I have ways of hearing with my hearing problems.
Thanks for finding that link, I'm a bit hopeless at the moment, it's always a pleasuer to have you contributing.
Carry on gentlemen, on topic please.
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Post by anotherdsp on May 4, 2012 15:43:15 GMT 7
WELL MY ACTIONS ,
will be i know my JCA was a 20 and a ten point rating,plus i am pre 2004 so i am grandfathered
but if they manage to change this i will fly to darwin and do an overnite turnaround max every 6 weeks!!(1st beat the SSAT APPEAL)
F&$k these P!*$KS i am over it and all of this crap!! and i will spend even longer o/s each years i am not KOWTOWING to there crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bloody angry about it!!
SORRY guys about the language but now i hope they do hoax me and cut me off after MM promisises( iam not going to the press as they are all wankers anyway in my book!!)
IF they really wanted to help us with our medical problems we would not have to travel to 3rd world countries to get the medical services that we need !!
( THEY did not mind taking my tax of me when i started work at the age of 15 years old working underground in the A.C.T building there sewarage system).
I would not be in this position if they government had done there job in the 1st place when i was originally injured at work in a cyclone,unfairly dismissed not covered by compensation where were their balls then!!
I GOT THE TREE AND THE HANGSMANS NOOSE READY I JUST NEED SOME ONE TO STRING UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT DO THEY THINK i like being in this position,i have not had a goon night sleep since my injury!!
IF idonot wake up to rollover,the next morning i am in great pain for the next however long( usually min two weeks up to three months!! cant take any painkillers as i am alergic to them!!) so what do they want from us!!
ok had my whinge thanx for listening!! SORRY IF iam a bit pissed off but better to get it out then to keep it in!!
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Post by Banker on May 4, 2012 16:09:02 GMT 7
No more personal attacks on ANY member please.
We are here to try & help each other not attack each other.
Just to set the record straight we have two members (that I know of) who have sight impairment they are legally blind without their glasses. So please have some consideration for the other members.
I'm sure you all understand what I'm trying to say.
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Post by Banker on May 4, 2012 16:14:05 GMT 7
The point I was trying to make (but didn't word it well) waqs that, as Banker predicted years ago, was that the government is trying to get rid of the DSP. They will have a pension system for the severely disabled and everyone else (including the majority of the DSP now) will be on newstart. Well I'm glad we got that straight. The other thing I said a couple years ago was this entire thing is going to be based on residency. One other thing but I hope I am wrong on this is that the OAP will be the next target to save the Government money.
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Post by chris on May 4, 2012 16:57:08 GMT 7
i just cant understand if this happens ,just how it will save the goverment any money at all,they are going to pay the dsp weather we are overseas on not ,so can some one tell me how it will save the goverment money,and if your so called grandfathered will it apply to us to. thanks.
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Post by anotherdsp on May 4, 2012 18:14:43 GMT 7
to chris ,
good question mate!!
to my of thinking is that if we stay out of aust they stop all the extras,like rent assist ect ect? and take the load of covalesance care an medical services so they can FOB us of to where ever we can be looked after i.e 3rd world countries this is what they say in their press releases!
SO if you muliply this by how many of us are frequently out of the country say 1000 people muliplied by 26(weeks) multiplied by say 700$ is 18,200,000$ per year!! leaving the country each year!! so if they stop paying the extras say 150$ per person is 3,900,000$ per year plus the freeing up of the medical system!! yep 3,900,000$ mate is the saving i am only guessing on numbers here but you catch my drift!!
GRANDFATHERING??
for US TO GET to get the unlimited portability i assume we will have a new JCA UNDER THE NEW TABLES??(YES I KNOW I THOUGHT THEY BROUGHT IN THE GRANDFATHERING TO STOP US BEING SHAFTED IN THE FUTURE??)
I AM NOT REAL SURE ON THIS BIT,but i will say it and some one will probably correct me if wrong but it will get the ball roling for you!!) ok mate i hope i dont confuse you as iam LOL!!
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Post by chris on May 4, 2012 18:40:31 GMT 7
yes ok thanks 4 that we will just have to wate and see what they have to say,but i dont think they are going to do us any joy.
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Post by anotherdsp on May 4, 2012 18:48:02 GMT 7
yeah i am quite new to all of this mate an still not got me head around a lot of this!! ok too easy ,over an out
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