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Post by baranghope on Jun 23, 2012 13:11:05 GMT 7
There are two forms, one Medical Report, one Job Capacity. The MR you or your GP sends back by return envelope. 2 medical conditions have to be outlined, and these will be evaluated by a clerk in Canberra who, using the Impairment Tables, will determine if either of your conditions achieves 20 points, which is mandatory. End of story. Except note, that such a form would normally be downloadable from Centrelink International online; whereas this form is bar-coded and tracked. Meaning, just receiving the post activates 3 bar-codes, even if you lapse and do nothing.
The Job form you fill in, and it will be referred to by the Centrelink clerk who interviews you for your mandatory JCA Interview, to see if you could work for 2 hours a week, in the future, while on Newstart. End of story.
The bottom line is they reserve their inscrutable right (as they did when you were converted from Newstart to the DSP years ago) to evaluate and process. You have no legal grant, nor human rights as far as they are concerned. They will not tell you what constitutes residency.
Understand only one thing: legally, they have gone on aural record as informing each Portability applicant over the phone about the "2 hour" JCA evaluation, always stating YOUR DSP WILL BE CANCELLED (if the clerk thinks you can work one hour twice a week). Oh goody. Russian Roulette, because Newstart will mean rapid death via penury and onerous participation commitments.
Having foisted this "2 hour" capacity upon us they now have long term control by twigging the residency inscrutables, 13 to 6 weeks, and no full OAP from 2014 because you lived abroad, and say cut into your onshore working life new requirement of 35 years. By making applying for Portability impossible via the JCA arbitrary criterion they can now pile on the punishment and annihilation.
All this is just Orwell, Kafka, bureaucratic insanity. Evil. They want onshore healthcare zombies . . . . instead of saving millions by leaving us free to enjoy a dangerous country with no medical system. And in fact now they don't even want to pay you your full base DSP anywhere, they want to pervert their own Act by interpreting radically in favor of trapping DSPers onshore.
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Post by Banjo on Jun 23, 2012 13:52:12 GMT 7
They set this up more than two years ago to harass 776 people of which 154 were spending less than 8 weeks a year in Australia. (Link: www.couriermail.com.au/money/welfare-loophole-allows-disability-pensioners-to-go-on-permanent-vacation/story-e6freqoo-1225846381856). Now we know a lot of these have given up, they have packed up and come back to Australia virtually permanently. I would say everyone with families at risk of being left with no support. So say there's a 100 of us left (of the 154)... we've seen multiple changes in the legislation, SSAT appeals and still no result that everyone is going to sit still for. Add the cost of the returning families to this and the whole thing has been a massively failed exercise.
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Post by roxane on Jun 23, 2012 16:05:15 GMT 7
yes, it is Russian roulette. It's better if you bet all your money in the casino. double or nothing. Sometimes I think those who just apply from scratch are lucky cause they have nothing to lose. But we would actually lose x2. DSP + carer. That would be the ultimate goldmine for C/L. I'm not gonna give that satisfaction for them.
The key sentence in the article: "It is not known if those who claimed pensions while living overseas were working while overseas." So that's what buggs them, not knowing if the person works and he/she's not just getting the pension but doesn't even pay tax.
Ohhh Ms Macklin.... if you just knew a little bit more, u such a stupid b....
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Post by scuzzy on Jun 23, 2012 16:57:29 GMT 7
They set this up more than two years ago to harass 776 people of which 154 were spending less than 8 weeks a year in Australia. (Link: www.couriermail.com.au/money/welfare-loophole-allows-disability-pensioners-to-go-on-permanent-vacation/story-e6freqoo-1225846381856). Now we know a lot of these have given up, they have packed up and come back to Australia virtually permanently. I would say everyone with families at risk of being left with no support. So say there's a 100 of us left (of the 154)... we've seen multiple changes in the legislation, SSAT appeals and still no result that everyone is going to sit still for. Add the cost of the returning families to this and the whole thing has been a massively failed exercise. In the article it says that Thailand and the Philippines are the 2 hotspots for expat DSP'ers. How does FaHCSIA know this? Ok, it says they worked with Immigration, but just because you board a flight from Australia to Bangkok, or you arrive back in Australia on a flight from Bangkok, that doesn't mean you are living in Thailand. You could be living in Burma, or Laos, or Vietnam or any other of Thailand's neighbours that isn't well serviced by air direct from Australia, or anywhere else in the world for that matter. you could fly to Bangkok, then buy a ticket there to go to Uzbekistan.
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Post by Banjo on Jun 23, 2012 18:00:40 GMT 7
People are basically honest and trust their government... When Centrelink used to ask "and where are you going?" we would tell them. When they contacted me for the residency assessment this year they asked me if I intended staying in Thailand for the duration of my trip and i said i might go to the Lao PDR. "Make sure you let us know if you do immediately" they said.
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Post by roxane on Jun 23, 2012 20:15:54 GMT 7
this article say that WE ARE ALL CRIMINALS! Worst offenders, ha? We should be in jail, not hopping on QF and moreover not on gold class!!! does DSP mentions that we can't use gold class and be a FF? (frequent flyer). Maybe it's time to introduce a law that crippled people should only fly 3rd class. I'm wondering how much this stupid study did cost? ohh, and who's founded that study? yes, the taxpayers. HYPOCRITES!!!! My guess is that the study costed more than these WORST OFFENDERS' airline ticked and undeclared tax of the undeclared work which nobody know if it did actually ever happened. How dare we live "well of"" we don't deserve it, we just useless freaks on taxpayers' cost. That's the meaning of the article. (free translation ;-) ) In my opinion the study or the article or both are lying. I don't recall ever mentioning which class I'm flying. And I don't believe QF or any other airline would give out these details. The best side of the story, did you guys check who wrote the article? Can't be 100%, but pretty sure this is the guy: twitter.com/simonkearneyAussie, journo, production company director, living in Singaporehis homepage: www.click2view.asia/simon-kearney/I always wanted to stop in SIN on the way to EU. Maybe I should give him a visit. PS I'm watching a really good Danish crime series. It's starts with a politician being chopped in half and left at the exact borderline between sweeden and denmark border. Only the top half belonged to the politician, the bottom to a prostitute. very inspiring story!
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Post by Banjo on Jun 24, 2012 7:08:46 GMT 7
When we're investigated they do it very comprehensively, everything Immigration has on us is made available to them and they get a lot of details from airlines but some refused to co-operate in my case. I booked a return flight to Australia from Thailand... once... and they found out about it and made a big deal of saying it proved I lived there. Just be careful what you write on those arrival and departure cards.
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Post by carvets on Jun 24, 2012 8:30:20 GMT 7
When we're investigated they do it very comprehensively, everything Immigration has on us is made available to them and they get a lot of details from airlines but some refused to co-operate in my case. I booked a return flight to Australia from Thailand... once... and they found out about it and made a big deal of saying it proved I lived there. Just be careful what you write on those arrival and departure cards. Thats an interesting point actually,...cause sometimes i lie on my Thai Arr/Dep card and give them an old job title so its doesnt sound like im destitute when if i say pensioner. maybe just "retired" would sound more appropriate,......but often i have forgotten what i put down the previous time so there may be several inconsistencies on my cards.
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Post by roxane on Jun 24, 2012 8:45:14 GMT 7
isn't it another breach of privacy law and discrimination law? what gives them the right to ask these details? I have a very good friend working for customs, I will asked him what they do with this immigration card. Maybe we have the right to leave it all blank. Or just put NOFB. (none of ur f. business) ;-)
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Post by Banjo on Jun 24, 2012 8:48:12 GMT 7
They would have no access to foreign countries Immigration A&D cards, only those we give to Australian Immigration. I occasionally put my income at $100,000+ overseas to try to get a bit better service. ;D
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Post by spaceyone on Jun 24, 2012 8:57:04 GMT 7
isn't it another breach of privacy law and discrimination law? what gives them the right to ask these details? I have a very good friend working for customs, I will asked him what they do with this immigration card. Maybe we have the right to leave it all blank. Or just put NOFB. (none of ur f. business) ;-) In Australia, apparently there are no privacy laws in place which protect us, apart from pertaining to medical records. All of the government departments are now linked by computer, so easy for them to access or share each other's information, private companies are compelled to share, and the rest are bribed with other favours in return (ie, banks and financial institutions).
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Post by Banjo on Jun 24, 2012 9:20:10 GMT 7
One of the airlines told them to get knotted, I think it was Singapore Airlines, I'll have to check my files next week, my memory is getting shocking.
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Post by roxane on Jun 24, 2012 9:31:25 GMT 7
Good on SIN Airline, I always thought they were one of the best ones.
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Post by scuzzy on Jun 24, 2012 10:10:26 GMT 7
One of the airlines told them to get knotted, I think it was Singapore Airlines, I'll have to check my files next week, my memory is getting shocking. What kind of info where they after from your airlines do you reckon? just out of interest, what was it that Singapore Airlines refused to give them?
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Post by Banjo on Jun 24, 2012 10:37:09 GMT 7
Where I booked the flights from, if you use a travel agent they keep a record of it.
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