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Post by raff on Aug 3, 2014 4:28:14 GMT 7
Now I am sure there are plenty of folks on here with alot more knowledge than myself. According to Abrots latest changes we are only allowed to travel outside of Australia for up to 4 weeks in a 12 month period without losing our payment. This apparently also counts for self funded trips after the 4 weeks payment runs out.
Now what I am wondering is whether the rules about being accepted back onto the DSP with the 12 months or 2 years or whatever it was counts?? I mean there was that thing where we were told we could get a job for more than 30 hours a week and have our DSP suspended for that period of time and get it back without a review within a certain period.
Even though we would not be receiving our payment while overseas, what would stop us from saying that we have a job and will do our very best, we then go overseas for however long we can afford and then go back on our DSP when we get back without a review.
I am betting they have already plugged this wee little hole but could someone with more knowledge please let me know if I am onto something or not??
If I am onto something you can buy me an imaginary internet beer next time we're in the imaginary internet pub...
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Post by Banjo on Aug 3, 2014 7:02:58 GMT 7
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Post by anotherdsp on Aug 3, 2014 12:35:08 GMT 7
to raff, a good question mate,but i assume they would go after you on the residency side of the pension? ? mayb saying you have to be living there to be working there??(overseas).but honestly mate i am only guessing??
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Post by highlander4000 on Aug 3, 2014 20:27:46 GMT 7
Look at this mean abbot rules for DSP Travel in 2015. 4 weeks then only once a year, looks like the greens do not stop this legislation even they promised to oppose it. It is the end of DSP Pensions your only hope if you over sixty, wait for the old age pension or win lotto. I am sick to death of all this welfare attack sick of it Where did you hear that about the Greens?, i cant find anything on their views on portability.
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Post by raff on Aug 4, 2014 2:16:32 GMT 7
Well what I was assuming is that once you have given up your pension to go to work they have no reason and I would assume no right to be informed if and when you travel??
Fair enough if you get pegged when you leave (as we all know now that we do) while on the DSP but under what circumstances could they legitimately intrude into your life if you aren't receiving a bloody payment??? I meant basically that we inform them that we are starting a job at whatever business we decide to tell them, or even sub contracting or something similer (my sister runs her own business so I can say that I am working for her if I like)
I doubt they are going to be chasing up your new employer to make sure you are actually working rather than not working and deciding out of the goodness of your heart to stop taking money from them, seems just a little counter intuitive although I could be wrong.
Then at various times during the year we decide to take unpaid leave if that is something that our employer doesn't have a problem with?? I mean I doubt that centrelink has the power to tell your new boss that (s)he isn't allowed to give his/her employees time off at whatever he thinks is fair.
I reckon I could just about manage to work for say three or four months at a time and take say three or four months of leave. Shit, I could just as easily be travelling as part of my new found employment, I mean who better to have as an overseas agent than someone who has been living over there off and on for the last 15 or 20 years???
I doubt very much that centrelink has the power to say that you can't do what is expected of you in your new job, I mean if travelling and utilising all of those hard won skills isn't a bloody fantastic way of turning all those wasted years on the governments teat into something productive.
Or something like that...
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Post by Banjo on Aug 4, 2014 8:41:48 GMT 7
I doubt they would monitor you if you were not receiving a payment, why would they? You're not breaching portability rules if the DSP is suspended.
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Post by roxane on Aug 4, 2014 11:48:02 GMT 7
Look at this mean abbot rules for DSP Travel in 2015. 4 weeks then only once a year, looks like the greens do not stop this legislation even they promised to oppose it. It is the end of DSP Pensions your only hope if you over sixty, wait for the old age pension or win lotto. I am sick to death of all this welfare attack sick of it Where did you hear that about the Greens?, i cant find anything on their views on portability.Exactly! Why do you think they're so quiet about it? Have you heard the greenies or labor or any other party mentioning anything about it? Nothing, not a word. The only time you would hear something about this would be on that hearing in Sydney, if someone would bother to actually go to that hearing. Bastards, they make it impossible to most of us to attend it and they can't be bothered! As for looking for loopholes, even me I can't find this time any!
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Post by dakota on Aug 4, 2014 12:03:18 GMT 7
I have already worked it out. I have a job to go to overseas that is 8 hours per week for 3 months. They will be in deep if they try and stop me going to work.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 12:05:04 GMT 7
I had a discussion with CL when 6 weeks first came in as I proposed to go overseas and draw on my super until aged 65. What some are missing here perhaps is that when your turn 65 you have to be in the country to obtain Oap. Having received it, you are They then required to live in this country or it will be taken off. So it is self destroying to consider doing so. They have us by the short and curlies.
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Post by roxane on Aug 4, 2014 14:34:44 GMT 7
I have already worked it out. I have a job to go to overseas that is 8 hours per week for 3 months. They will be in deep if they try and stop me going to work. Hmmm, I haven't recall reading about exceptions based on overseas job. But could bring it up with them and maybe the media, why not! Actually curious what they'd say. I have a feeling they will still deny your extended portability claim and rather pay you full DSP, instead paying you a portion of it because you do some work overseas. Though they would surely raise the question how come you can find a job o/s and not here. But I like the idea, give it a shot!
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Post by dakota on Aug 4, 2014 15:08:16 GMT 7
I have already done the exercise and it has them in a tail spin. I have a job for 3 months - it is only 1 hour a day guaranteed to begin with, 5 days a week. Just happens to be overseas. Its important I take it as it will help give me experience and building a foundation for me to possible get back to work full time. The income from this job is not relevant (whether it is $5 or $50 an hour) and I will report it accordingly.
Of course the Government cannot be seen to be blocking a DSP who is trying to rehabilitate themselves starting out with a manageable amount of paid employment
They have 2 options -
1. Allow people to travel 2. Cop the blunt of the media and the rest of the taxpayers for actively BLOCKING a DSP from rehabilitating and possibly rejoining the workforce
I would urge everybody on the DSP to try and get a job overseas, even if it is only $5 a day. It may effect your pension payment. There will be a huge media blow up if they try and deny me working
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Post by anotherdsp on Aug 4, 2014 17:41:20 GMT 7
to dakota,so you have talked to the c/link already about this??
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Post by dakota on Aug 4, 2014 18:25:07 GMT 7
to dakota,so you have talked to the c/link already about this?? Yes. And they are totally dumconfusperplexbafflerrrgottchaed. No you cant travel or live outside of the country for more than 4 weeks under proposals. But work is another thing. Just like the many Aussies who have jobs outside of this country and are Australian tax residents they pay tax in Australia on employment income but continue to receive the benefits/entitlements of being an Australian citizen. The issue here is if they block you from working overseas they are in effect preventing a DSP from rehabilitating and being able to rejoin the work force. This goes against the desire of the Government. In summary they are speechless and at first they said I cant travel. When I explained the ramifications of their denial of my rights to work they took a step back and said they would need to refer the matter. I deliberately did not give them my details . I am thinking of going to the media. Just have to think it all through
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Post by roxane on Aug 4, 2014 19:51:03 GMT 7
to dakota,so you have talked to the c/link already about this?? Yes. And they are totally dumconfusperplexbafflerrrgottchaed. No you cant travel or live outside of the country for more than 4 weeks under proposals. But work is another thing. Just like the many Aussies who have jobs outside of this country and are Australian tax residents they pay tax in Australia on employment income but continue to receive the benefits/entitlements of being an Australian citizen. The issue here is if they block you from working overseas they are in effect preventing a DSP from rehabilitating and being able to rejoin the work force. This goes against the desire of the Government. In summary they are speechless and at first they said I cant travel. When I explained the ramifications of their denial of my rights to work they took a step back and said they would need to refer the matter. I deliberately did not give them my details . I am thinking of going to the media. Just have to think it all through It's a good point! It can't be of course a F/T job, but lets say you get a contract for 3 month as an interpreter? So I'd be very curious what they'd say. And if they still refuse to let you go, yes absolutely it should be brought to the attention of the media. The question is would they be interested? Probably not. A story of somebody who's trying to work is far less interesting as reporting on DSP rorters who are bludging around. But it's not impossible. I'd say go for it!
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Post by bangalorebiker on Aug 5, 2014 4:56:28 GMT 7
mate i reckon your onto something here ... so go for it and just to spite centrelink go tell the media too.let everyone know and won't that put the mad abbots nose out of joint.
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