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Post by anotherdsp on Aug 5, 2014 9:20:45 GMT 7
to dakota,well thanks for that mate !!i needed a good laugh today(it would of been nice to be a fly on the wall as you explained to them what is happening for you to improve you life!!) it looks like they will have some more head scracthing to do over this one mate,the problem for them will be to isolate us from the general public that go overseas to work!! i am not laughing at you but with you mate!!
it looks like they might have to go back to the rule and make some ammendments before they bring in the new rules maybe??
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Post by roxane on Aug 5, 2014 9:56:49 GMT 7
I have already worked it out. I have a job to go to overseas that is 8 hours per week for 3 months. They will be in deep if they try and stop me going to work. I looked some of the replies I got before, that was back then from Labor, it was about doing my job as a carer but o/s. Basically they said that the welfare payment's aim is to provide support in AUS and not o/s. They keep saying that like a mantra! So I bet they will say that you can go o/s to work, but your payment will be stopped after 4 weeks and when you come back you can reapply for DSP. Moreover you will need to pay tax on your income. Having said that, it's actually could point out the problem with the lack of jobs here, and if someone is fortunate enough to get a job o/s than the gov should really be reviewing their f'd up policies and legislations. You should inquiry about it before they pass the 4 weeks portability. I might do some inquiries too.
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Post by dakota on Aug 5, 2014 10:14:45 GMT 7
I am at the point I dont want to discuss this is a publicly accessible forum. Quite simply I dont trust our Government not to target me personally if I am seen to be bringing their rope knots undone.
Another call this morning and one CL person said "your argument makes sense".
1. Free rights to travel in and out of your country - Human rights issue to retain entitlements under Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) - a declaration adopted by the United Nations General Assembly whilst you are a CITIZEN of your own country
2. The right and wish for the Government for you to gain employment, whether that be in Australia or another country.
3. Income earned overseas is taxable. Even if its only $150 a week that is still taxable although would not reduce a pension payment.
Denial of right to work could have nice headlines
***NEWS STORY***
Australian pensioners are being prevented by the Abbott Government from the right to work. The Government has banned those on Disability Pensions from working in any country but Australia under restrictions on travel. Fred Nurk 44 years old from Sydney has been offered a part time job in Vietnam teaching students computer skills but cant take the job because the Government will only allow him out of Australia for 4 weeks per year.
Mr Nurk said "I feel like a prisoner in my own country. I have tried to get part time work in Australia to help further myself and maybe one day rehabilitate myself enough to get off the disability pension if I can work enough to support myself. In Australia no employer will touch me with my disability as they say I am a liability to their company. Now that I have found a job I have been told my Centrelink that I am not allowed to take it. I am not asking Centrelink to pay for my airfares to Vietnam - I am prepared to do that myself. I just want the right to work without being told I am not allowed to leave my own country. I have not been able to find part time work in Australia for over 5 years and potentially this work experience could help me return to Australia with work skills and experience to eventually return to full time work. If the Government wants to help disability pensioners get better and possibly return to the workforce we need to be free to travel to look for and work overseas."
Community response has been overwhelmingly in response for Mr Nurk. Taxpayers now see a million dollar court challenge against rules that potentially violate human rights.
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Post by dakota on Aug 5, 2014 10:24:31 GMT 7
The flaw in this argument is that others are allowed to work overseas and retain benefits. For example the worker that works in New Guinea still pays tax in Australia and he and his family retain all their rights/entitlements. The aged pensioner that travels overseas retains all of his/her benefits as well. This is about discrimination. The strong point here in the debate is that this is about sick people trying to help rehabilitate themselves and if there are no jobs in Australia why should they be denied the right to work overseas.
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Post by ghostbuster on Aug 5, 2014 11:29:20 GMT 7
No you are wrong there. An aged pensioner that travels overseas does NOT retain all his/her benefits. They lose rent assistance, pharmaceutical benefits and a couple of other items. So for the oap its not all fun and games. But traveling overseas and living overseas permanently are two different things. Just traveling for short periods you keep all benefits. But for permanent you lose some benefits after a certain time.
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Post by highlander4000 on Aug 5, 2014 11:47:01 GMT 7
where did you get that news story Dakota?, is it real or made up?
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Post by Banjo on Aug 5, 2014 12:04:59 GMT 7
How could you even suspect that it's made up? Nurk would have to be one of the more common family names in Australia.
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Post by roxane on Aug 5, 2014 14:16:13 GMT 7
Another call this morning and one CL person said "your argument makes sense". If I had so many o/seas trips as many time CL told me "it makes sense, or yes I'm absolutely right" there wouldn't be a problem. Doesn't matter what CL say, they are not making the law, just reinforcing it. Try to get a politician admitting it! I once and only once had a little chat to someone in the portability dept, and she did admit that the portability legislation for carers was not quite right. But all she said that she will pass my concern to the minister and blah blah blah. And guess what happened. You guessed it right. Nothing at all.
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Post by dakota on Aug 5, 2014 15:31:52 GMT 7
Mr Nurk was just an example.
I have had CL staff in Hobart be very sympathetic and agree that the system is unjust but yes they just work there and follow the directions from Canberra ..
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Post by Denis-NFA on Aug 5, 2014 15:45:05 GMT 7
Mr Nurk was just an example. I have had CL staff in Hobart be very sympathetic and agree that the system is unjust but yes they just work there and follow the directions from Canberra .. I thought we had a member here for a while that worked overseas on one of the islands ( Banjo may remember)... if you did a search on overseas work in the threads you may find something. As I recall it prompted discussion on getting a job with one of the overseas aid agencies but what impact it had on any benefits I do not recall. Just a small thing but be careful of which country you say you are going to be earning your income in because some of the SE Asian countries will not let you do any paid work.. even for peanuts... and I am sure CLink know which countries they are. The whole idea sounds like it could be worth checking through SSAT/AAT decisions to see if anyone has done it before.
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Post by roxane on Aug 5, 2014 16:23:41 GMT 7
Mr Nurk was just an example. Just a small thing but be careful of which country you say you are going to be earning your income in because some of the SE Asian countries will not let you do any paid work.. even for peanuts... and I am sure CLink know which countries they are. The whole idea sounds like it could be worth checking through SSAT/AAT decisions to see if anyone has done it before. If you're a double citizen, you won't have that problem.
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Post by anotherdsp on Aug 5, 2014 16:48:03 GMT 7
well the job to do obviously would be christian recruitment work,abbott would probably give u funding!!!!lol ha ha ha ha!
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Post by hypoman on Aug 6, 2014 6:29:44 GMT 7
interesting idea.
but how about if your employed by say an Australian (yet Asian) travel agency (or similar) as a consultant or overseas contact for thier aussie customers. you could be paid a super minimal rate in Aiustralia into your aussie bank account, paying tax in australia and say still be only 'required' to woork an hour a day. you would report ypour earnings and everything would be in porder with thier policy.
or even work for DODO as a tele receptionist! theyre based in Manila. its an Aussie company (I think!), but that may be in a too hard basket as they will be required to work long hours...
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Post by raff on Aug 7, 2014 17:20:24 GMT 7
I can somehow magically predict the headline if you do go to the media, "DSP rorters discover new loophole to continue stealing from everyday Australians". There is such a thing as being silent but deadly you know...
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Post by tirolr on Aug 8, 2014 8:25:37 GMT 7
Mr Nurk was just an example. I have had CL staff in Hobart be very sympathetic and agree that the system is unjust but yes they just work there and follow the directions from Canberra .. I thought we had a member here for a while that worked overseas on one of the islands ( Banjo may remember)... if you did a search on overseas work in the threads you may find something. As I recall it prompted discussion on getting a job with one of the overseas aid agencies but what impact it had on any benefits I do not recall. Just a small thing but be careful of which country you say you are going to be earning your income in because some of the SE Asian countries will not let you do any paid work.. even for peanuts... and I am sure CLink know which countries they are. The whole idea sounds like it could be worth checking through SSAT/AAT decisions to see if anyone has done it before. For your reference, I have attached the section from the volunteer considerations letter in regards to this issue. It is also available on the Aus-Aid/Austraining website. “For volunteers receiving any type of pension or benefit: Centrelink has advised that reimbursements paid to voluntary workers for out of pockets expenses are NOT assessed as income for pensions or benefits. The living allowance paid to a volunteer by the host organisation and / or Australian Volunteer Agencies during an assignment is to assist with the cost of food and incidental items, and is not classed as income. However as each volunteer’s situation is unique, it is essential that you discuss with staff at your nearest Centrelink office the implications of your undertaking an assignment under the Australian Aid Agencies. Centrelink must always be advised that you are departing Australia. The telephone number is 13 2300 and the website is www.centrelink.gov.au” Read more: dspoverseas.proboards.com/user/408/recent#ixzz39l8mhmIF
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