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Post by dave3478 on Dec 3, 2015 16:07:09 GMT 7
Thanks Nomadic, the new is yesterday afternoon the secretary of Ken Wyatt a liberal member. She read out the statement from centrelink about the portabilty along the lines its to stop people working for ten years leaving then coming back to collect a pension then go overseas again. We all no that.
I explained to her thats okay but someone born and lived and worked here till 60 plus does not fall into that category. Its just centrelink reading the ruling in the wrong context. She agreed and said she would post me the centrelink letter. Thats all you can do at this stage..Her parting comment was pensions should not be spent overseas..
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Post by Banjo on Dec 3, 2015 16:19:52 GMT 7
So her attitude was that regardless of what the law said and how it was interpreted she still considered that things were being done correctly?
And these people serve those that govern us.
I'm convinced that the Federal Court would bring back a positive (for us) ruling.
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Post by scallywag on Dec 3, 2015 16:31:07 GMT 7
If you speak with her again, ask how she sleeps at night knowing people from other countries spend their pensions here in ashtraya.
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Post by immiadvice on Dec 3, 2015 16:37:01 GMT 7
If you speak with her again, ask how she sleeps at night knowing people from other countries spend their pensions here in ashtraya. The law is the law unfortunately. They can only apply what the legislation dictates. It's only when they act outside of the law that they should be personally targeted.
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Post by dave3478 on Dec 3, 2015 16:44:48 GMT 7
If i speak to them they always agree the this portability thing is wrong .But they have this thing in there minds that we have to spend the money here in Australia. Some how they don't think its right we take it over seas..Even when you explain it is not enough to live a good life in Australia . They agree on that point. That lady also said that the taxes we paid all our lives was for Hospitals Schools and roads. No mention of Pensions we all paid for in TAxes. Our entitlement was never mentioned .Let the brain washing begin... They hate to even mention the words .Pension,Entitlement,ETC
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Post by scallywag on Dec 3, 2015 16:49:17 GMT 7
" Her parting comment was pensions should not be spent overseas.. " She started it. Do you think she meant politicians pensions as well? or as I said , people bringing their pensions in?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 17:00:53 GMT 7
I had a similar comment from my federal member, the ALP member for Perth. She said, off handed at the end of our conversation, that oh well, all pensions should be consumed within Australia.
Although some politicians do have these beliefs, they are misguided and misinformed, although we must stay vigilant as if enough ground swell occurs, a change in legislation can creep in by stealth.
I bit my lip and bid her farewell and havnt spoken to her again!!!! (Although I did wish to say, well Allana, that philosophy could easily apply to ex politicians and public servants; tax payer subsidised superannuation etc. My contact at the Greens office did add, well if they wish to go down that route, then politicians overseas "study tours" should be included as well.
I think though nothing is to be gained by arguing the point with these people, as it gives them further bait to take it further. The people who are best equipped to deal with existing legislation and interpretation is the International Office of Centrelink.
But I do understand that its easy to get hot under the collar with these people in electoral offices. Keep away from them and give them no oxygen.
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Post by dave3478 on Dec 3, 2015 17:01:54 GMT 7
Iam thinking out Loud. When they say Australian pensions should not be spent over seas. Then any money that has been earnt in Australia by way of savings should only be spent here also.After all its our right and entitlement to have a pension. We earned that money thru working and paying taxes towards it. I paid for my parents pensions and never begrudged them spending it overseas. So why the big change by Labour and Liberal..thinking is hard work.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 17:13:02 GMT 7
I agree with you Dave, but try and not think too much. These are ideas which are planted inside those individuals heads and when those ideas get to senate estimates, the wise heads of those who know better tend to shut people as such down.
A further illustration can be as Banjo has described at times, IF they did decide that all on any pension shouyld be in Australia, then the govt and service providors need to fund housing, medical, transport and all sorts of other things that arnt being costed and consumed now.
Again, its the department heads and boffins who will say to those suggesting such, that have you thought about this and that and when that occurs, they invaribly say oh Sh*t, we didnt think of that!!!!
Australia though is a slow learner in some respects. We can look at the German and Dutch and other scandanvaian countries that actually "export" its older people with delight and pay them to be in South East Asian countries. The have realised the benifits of doing so
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Post by Banjo on Dec 3, 2015 18:11:06 GMT 7
If you speak with her again, ask how she sleeps at night knowing people from other countries spend their pensions here in ashtraya. The law is the law unfortunately. They can only apply what the legislation dictates. It's only when they act outside of the law that they should be personally targeted. It's difficult to be polite when you run into people using their taxpayer funded jobs to express their own political opinions. Agreed that she works for a politician but "pensions should be spent in Australia" is NOT in the legislation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 18:18:13 GMT 7
I shall take this point up with my contact at Senator Seiwerts office. It is very important as Banjo says it is NOT legislation, it is mere opinion based on ignorance.
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Post by scallywag on Dec 4, 2015 5:21:05 GMT 7
I shall take this point up with my contact at Senator Seiwerts office. It is very important as Banjo says it is NOT legislation, it is mere opinion based on ignorance. You might also point out that stopping pensioners from spending $ overseas is a form of income management.
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Post by Banjo on Dec 4, 2015 7:04:16 GMT 7
A relevant point is also that it was predicted that by 2015 the taxpayer contribution to self managed and other superannuation funds would exceed what goes into the Age Pension.
Edit: changed year from 1915.
Probably thinking of a day when the pension was about five bob a week and could be lived on. Either that or I'm getting old and silly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 7:30:59 GMT 7
1915?
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Post by dave3478 on Dec 4, 2015 7:59:06 GMT 7
I have another thought bubble ..If they change the pension rules I want a refund of my taxes I paid as a young man for my pension they so easily forgot.
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