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Post by stomppr on Jun 22, 2012 19:05:39 GMT 7
6 week portability bill
Senate
18 Jun 2012
Introduced and read a first time
18 Jun 2012
Second reading moved. (date unknown as yet??)
senators debate and vote on main idea of bill
senate committee ( date unknown as yet?) public enquiry into the bill and reporting back to the senate
committee of the whole (date unknown as yet)
senators discuss the bill in detail. including any changes to the bill
3rd reading (date unknown as yet)
senators vote on the bill in its final form.
bill is passed.
the bill is passed in the senate.
what we need is to send emails to members of the senate committee
SHOULD WE BE EMAILING SENATORS to voice our concerns so they can be brought up?? or do they not respond to emails? maybe a blanket email bomb to em all:) apoligies if this has been discussed or posted before..im kinda new at this still.
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Post by rowdy on Jun 22, 2012 19:08:18 GMT 7
6 week portability bill Senate 18 Jun 2012 Introduced and read a first time 18 Jun 2012 Second reading moved. (date unknown as yet??) senators debate and vote on main idea of bill senate committee ( date unknown as yet?) public enquiry into the bill and reporting back to the senate committee of the whole (date unknown as yet) senators discuss the bill in detail. including any changes to the bill 3rd reading (date unknown as yet) senators vote on the bill in its final form. bill is passed. the bill is passed in the senate. what we need is to send emails to members of the senate committee SHOULD WE BE EMAILING SENATORS to voice our concerns so they can be brought up?? or do they not respond to emails? maybe a blanket email bomb to em all:) apoligies if this has been discussed or posted before..im kinda new at this still. Is there are a Statement of Compatibility with Human Rights as required by the Part 3 of the Human Rights (Parliamentary Scrutiny) Act 2011. Can anyone find this??
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Post by stomppr on Jun 22, 2012 19:17:35 GMT 7
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Post by rowdy on Jun 22, 2012 19:17:59 GMT 7
Thanks Stompr,
What I am looking for is Statement of Compatibility with Human Rights in relation to the Bill to reduce portability from 13 to 6 weeks. Can you find it?
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Post by scuzzy on Jun 22, 2012 19:25:24 GMT 7
6 week portability bill Senate 18 Jun 2012 Introduced and read a first time 18 Jun 2012 Second reading moved. (date unknown as yet??) senators debate and vote on main idea of bill senate committee ( date unknown as yet?) public enquiry into the bill and reporting back to the senate committee of the whole (date unknown as yet) senators discuss the bill in detail. including any changes to the bill 3rd reading (date unknown as yet) senators vote on the bill in its final form. bill is passed. the bill is passed in the senate. what we need is to send emails to members of the senate committee SHOULD WE BE EMAILING SENATORS to voice our concerns so they can be brought up?? or do they not respond to emails? maybe a blanket email bomb to em all:) apoligies if this has been discussed or posted before..im kinda new at this still. It can't hurt to send emails/letters. the more the merrier I imagine. Even if it doesn't have an impact on the 6 week rule, it may make them think twice when someone decides to have a go at taking it down to 0 weeks. And even if they don't respond, that doesn't mean they didn't take it on board.
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Post by stomppr on Jun 22, 2012 19:40:04 GMT 7
Schedule 2 - Adjustments to portability and other periods These amendments are compatible with the human rights and freedoms recognised or declared in the international instruments listed in section 3 of the Human Rights (Parliamentary Scrutiny) Act 2011 . Overview of the legislative amendments This Bill tightens the rules for people who travel overseas while receiving some income support payments and family payments. Under the change, the length of time individuals can spend overseas while continuing to receive their payments will generally be reduced from 13 weeks to six weeks. The Australian Social Security System still retains generous portability provisions for those people on income support payments. Although, limited to six weeks there is generally no limit on the number of times a person can leave Australia, as long as they continue to reside in Australia. There are also generous portability extension provisions for those people who are prevented from returning to Australia. It should be noted that the change will generally not apply to those people who are not expected to have a participation requirement. These are people in receipt of the age pension and those disability support pensioners assessed as having a severe and permanent disability and no future work capacity. The new rules will not apply to students studying overseas as part of an approved Australian course. Family tax benefit Part A will continue to be paid for up to three years of a temporary absence from Australia, but will reduce to the base rate after six weeks. Human rights implications This Bill has considered the human rights implications particularly with reference to the right to social security as contained within Article 9 of the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. It was concluded that the Bill does not place limitations on human rights and will have no impact on an individual’s right to social security. Conclusion The amendments are compatible with human rights because they advance the human rights to social security. parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22legislation%2Fems%2Fr4830_ems_6c1160c0-081d-43f8-b501-8d1fe3213d86%22maybe this?
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Post by bundyrum on Jun 23, 2012 15:37:37 GMT 7
THEY SAY YOU DON'T RESIDE IN aUSTRALIA..If you go over too many times..I know.that's the only reason they cancelled me..I think they just look at more o/s then Aussie..which is stupid.. They did it to me..I said I was a resident ..had my address..they said I wasn't...good enough to be cancelled ..now I starve..or is it crime to live..
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Post by anotherdsp on Jun 24, 2012 7:37:38 GMT 7
in the new six week ruling they say:Although, limited to six weeks there is generally no limit on the number of times a person can leave Australia, as long as they continue to reside in Australia. GENERALLY NO LIMIT (so if we do it too much it looks like we will be open to a residency reveiw again,thats my feeling on this!!)
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Post by zorro1 on Jun 25, 2012 7:10:49 GMT 7
Just got off the phone with C/L international. I asked them how can I get the ball rolling regarding permanent portability and I have to say the person I spoke to was totally professional with a full understanding of the new laws.
He said it will be 2 months or more from first contact to last interview because he expects a rush for the exit.and get this, there will be an interview with a C/L doctor! I asked if he was sure and he said absolutely.
He also mentioned that I must be very sure I meet the criteia for no work at all or Or I may/will be taken off the pension altogether.
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Post by Banjo on Jun 25, 2012 7:21:44 GMT 7
So this is the big stick being wielded. How can you be taken off the DSP if you qualify but don't meet the criteria for the much more stringent unlimited portability requirements? This is a bullshit threat, some sort of payback for forcing the issue when Centrelink wanted to keep the portability status quo.
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Post by zorro1 on Jun 25, 2012 7:28:51 GMT 7
I agree Banjo. They will initially knock eveyone back and than its up to the individual to take it further just like in the USA.
I also asked him about residency and the 6 week rule, he said that current laws will apply except the time allowed will be 6 weeks.
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Post by anotherdsp on Jun 25, 2012 8:03:48 GMT 7
to zorro,so really the rules are the same in a way that pre the unlimited port ammendment that very few people got the unlimited port ,now it is just worded differently?? thats my take on it,so nothing has changed really?
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Post by Banjo on Jun 25, 2012 8:18:30 GMT 7
With the new residency rules that came in 1/1/12 it's got far worse.
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Post by bundyrum on Jun 25, 2012 8:18:35 GMT 7
you go over too many times and you'll be gone..you have to be a permenant resident in Auss. The rules say tempory leaving not as much as u want.I think they go off the tax rules..basically u have to be in AUSSIE..over 6 months.It's a real grey area and they r workn it. Cus they can't prove u r a resident anywhere else..but cancelled me cus I wasn't in Auss enough to their thinkn.This may have to go b 4 the Anti-discrimmanation board.Might just represent myself.Just spent the last 5 years in Family law court..to loose all.But i was with lawyers BARRISTERS..prolly the problem..they got it all.Because of court loopholes for them.
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Post by Banjo on Jun 25, 2012 8:22:58 GMT 7
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