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Post by Banjo on Jun 25, 2012 8:23:55 GMT 7
I seemed to qualify as a resident quite easily.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jun 25, 2012 19:26:59 GMT 7
I am No Fixed Address.
And they used that against me.
Hopefully the old rule about no gov. mob can make you homeless still applies
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Post by bundyrum on Jun 26, 2012 7:51:38 GMT 7
well i have nothn in Aussie cus the lawyers took all and yes they used my no abode against me.they don't take things into context...jus use their guidelines..1 million a year for a boat person..wat chitttttttttt.
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Post by bundyrum on Jun 26, 2012 7:54:39 GMT 7
sorry i have an abode at my sisters..she puts me up free..but they didn't like that..askn me where my cloths were..a car chooott..can't afford 1 of them...so that went agaist me 2..when they set their minds to pisssn u off...yer had it..
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Post by Banjo on Jun 26, 2012 8:31:26 GMT 7
Basically if you own a house in Australia Centrelink consider you a resident regardless of how much time you spend overseas. The day you sell that house you are in the shit. Go figure.
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Post by Denis-NFA on Jun 26, 2012 8:36:51 GMT 7
bundyrum, mate, i get pissed off with them 2 but i do not necessarily like the actual man but my theme song is sung by tom petty - "i won't back down" once i would just walk away i have 7.5 years before i make oap. i doubt that i will make it i will avoid going to jail/gaol but i am going to have a go at the pricks. and hey, its banjo and banker's fault. thats not serious by the way. but this website has taught me that i am not alone. and hey, there has been many times in my life, and i am mad they tell me, when i have thought, am i the only person that can see this is bullshit. i am the eldest of 9 children. the 3rd eldest of 72 first cousins. i had 22 aunts and uncles. i held my mother in my arms while she died. i held my father by the hand when he died. i got the bishop of canberra to send a priest to the mother of my children when she was dieing. my ing 2nd youngest brother shot himself dead after i thought he was going to be okay. the brother who was sitting beside me when we had the ing accident also died. there is a ing street in griffith nsw that is in my grandfather's name because he was one of the original rice growers in australia. and i am named exactly after him
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Post by bundyrum on Jun 28, 2012 9:18:48 GMT 7
well jus cost me $20 to ring the ARO...Doesn't look good she's on about the same thing as the girls who cut me off.....u have to be a prisoner in Auss...she was that silly she said the "IP' Has to go through parliment...DUHHHH..sHE'S GOT no INFO OR FORMS..And she is in Casino..no wonder.I think I'm SCREWEDDDD...JUS HAVE TO SEE THE NEW FORMS..
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Post by scuzzy on Jun 28, 2012 10:16:13 GMT 7
Anyone who is thinking about applying for unlimited portability should read this report on JCA's (Job Capacity Assesors) that was marked "Cabinet-in -confidence", but has now been released under the Freedom of Information Act. When you read it, bear in mind that applying for unlimited portabilty is what they refer to as a 'a trigger', and that the JCA makes up half of your eligibilty for unlimited portability (and also your entitlement to DSP). It's hard reading, but it's full of gems, like the fact that they introduced JCA's because they felt that Doctor's were 'too soft', and now they're thinking about reducing the role of JCA's too because........yep, you guessed it, they're also 'too soft' for the Government's taste. So, here's what you are going to be dealing with (don't say you weren't warned....) www.finance.gov.au/foi/disclosure-log/2011/docs/foi_10-27_strategic_review_job_capacity_assessments.pdf
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Post by scuzzy on Jun 28, 2012 10:38:20 GMT 7
Here's a sample for you. Bear in mind when you read this that when you are applying for unlimited portability, you are being re-assesed for the DSP, so essentially you are re-applying for DSP all over again under the new criteria, including the new impairment tables, and the JCA which needs to show you have a CITW (Continuing Inability To Work). Also, bear in mind this report was done in 2009, but is what led to the current changes. So when they talk about 'the current criteria', they're in fact talking about the way it used to be under the old system. Disability Support Pension Assessment Process The key challenge in assessing eligibility for DSP is the prospective nature of the current criteria, involving a claimant’s continuing inability to work over the next two years for 15 hours per week or more at award wages, or to be retrained to do so.
For a significant proportion of those applying for DSP there is little or no practical evidence on which to base this judgment, particularly if they would need to be retrained for more suitable work.
It would appear that this, together with the relative inexperience of many assessors, has contributed to assessors being too limited in their expectation of the potential for a claimant with existing limitations on their work capacity to be assessed and retrained for some form of work involving 15 or more hours per week.
This is a particular concern given that DSP is a passive payment with no participation requirements which is now worth more than $100 per week above the Newstart rate; few DSP recipients work much if at all even where they have some residual capacity to do so; and very few ever leave DSP other than through death or transitioning to the Age Pension.
An Improved Evidence Base This Review recommends that the gateway to DSP should ensure that, except for ‘manifest’ cases and in other clearly defined circumstances, claimants with disability only gain access to DSP when their ‘Continuing Inability to Work’ has been demonstrated. This would involve providing more rigorous guidelines for JCA assessors to use when reaching their judgments.
The provisions for assessing a claimant’s ‘Continuing Inability to Work’ would be reinforced to require a claimant, if they had not recently done so, to participate and work with a JSA or DES Employment Service Provider for twelve to eighteen months in a program to determine whether Newstart, including Newstart Partial Capacity to Work, would be the more appropriate ongoing and activity tested payment for those who do not obtain employment.
[/i] www.finance.gov.au/foi/disclosure-log/2011/docs/foi_10-27_strategic_review_job_capacity_assessments.pdf
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Post by roxane on Jun 28, 2012 13:08:35 GMT 7
thanks for digging this up. I'm wondering if there are any specific examples who would fit their criteria. When I talked to a CI, I asked the person to give a specific example, but she said that she wasn't qualified to do that. I makes me think that it really depends on what the assessor is thinking. It also seems to me that your doctors report doesn't count much. If you want to know who was behind this, have a look: www.ahl.gov.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15&Itemid=19www.nousgroup.com.au/wayne.jackson"In 2006, Wayne was awarded the Public Service Medal for outstanding service in the development and implementation of social policy." He got an award for this!!!!
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Post by scuzzy on Jun 28, 2012 13:36:26 GMT 7
thanks for digging this up. I'm wondering if there are any specific examples who would fit their criteria. When I talked to a CI, I asked the person to give a specific example, but she said that she wasn't qualified to do that. I makes me think that it really depends on what the assessor is thinking. It also seems to me that your doctors report doesn't count much. If you want to know who was behind this, have a look: www.ahl.gov.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15&Itemid=19www.nousgroup.com.au/wayne.jackson"In 2006, Wayne was awarded the Public Service Medal for outstanding service in the development and implementation of social policy." He got an award for this!!!! You mean examples like these ones? When you read these, bear in mind that a CITW is Continuing Inability To Work Impairment rating & CITW
To qualify for DSP a person must have an impairment rating of at least 20 points and have a CITW. Both aspects are of equal importance.
Explanation: People who have an impairment rating of 20 points or more, including those with severe impairments, are not necessarily incapable of working. Their medical impairment(s) may cause difficulties in many work situations, but depending on their individual circumstances, coping mechanisms, training, and reasonable adjustments, they may be able to undertake work of 15 hours or more per week, within the next 2 years.
Example Max has an intellectual disability. He is assessed as having a severe impairment. He is capable of working for 15 hours per week, with ongoing weekly support from an ESS provider. He has difficulty understanding new tasks and requires constant supervision. He would not be able to maintain his employment without this support. Max has a CITW.
Example Cherie does not have a severe impairment and has never participated in a POS. She has arthritis and is not able to stand for long periods of time. However, her JCA report states that if she can sit down most of the time and is not required to perform heavy manual tasks, she is otherwise able to understand direction, complete work and exhibit appropriate behaviour. The report concludes that she is able to work about 20 hours per week in a position in an area such as office administration, research or a call centre. Cherie is referred to an employment service for assistance. Cherie does not have a CITW.
Example: Lesley has a leg injury. He is assessed as having a severe impairment and as unable to work in his usual occupation as a labourer and perform any other work that requires heavy manual tasks. His JCA report also indicates that he is able to be retrained for work which does not require heavy manual tasks, such as clerical work, data entry, office administration or telemarketing. However, Lesley is unwilling to try alternative work or undertake training, as he has limited computer skills and no work experience in other industries. Lesley does not have a CITW as he has the ability to undertake training which could equip him with skills to work for 15 hours per week or more.
Example William has a back condition which limits his movement and causes some pain. His JCA report indicates he cannot lift heavy objects or move freely but could undertake work which enables him to sit most of the time, such as administration work. The report also confirms William has actively participated in a POS that strengthened his administrative skills but was unable to find work in this area in his town. This is because the town in which William lives has a large manufacturing industry and vacancies for other jobs which do not require manual handling are rarely available. William does not have a CITW, as there is work that exists elsewhere within Australia which he could do despite it not being available in the town where he lives.
Example: Morgan has a leg injury which causes pain and affects her mobility. She had previously worked as an electrician but can no longer perform this work due to her injury. She is able to perform work which can be done from a sitting position, such as office administration. Morgan is able to attend training courses which can provide her with computer and payroll skills and enable her to return to work of 15 hours or more per week.
These training courses are generally short, taking less than 2 years to complete and Morgan's leg injury does not prevent her from undertaking them. Morgan does not have a CITW.guidesacts.fahcsia.gov.au/guides_acts/ssg/ssguide-3/ssguide-3.6/ssguide-3.6.2/pc_13706.html
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Post by roxane on Jun 28, 2012 14:45:06 GMT 7
thanks for the examples. So is there actually anybody who is not a complete vegetable and would qualify??? Lets say someone is missing both legs, and one hand, so he's got one hand left. According to this he would still be able to do training, work in admin, office type, wright? What about people with MS (Multiple sclerosis) for example? So they would expect people with injuries + severe pain working in an office environment? If you have severe pain you would take heavy pain killers which would prevent first of all you to drive to the workplace and prevent you to concentrate and perform whatever tasks need. No mention of spasm, which is not the same as pain, and no medication for it.
CL and that bunch of group who's idea was this new type of assessment, they are the ones who are completely mentally impaired! 100 points for them!
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Post by baranghope on Jun 28, 2012 16:16:59 GMT 7
Clearly the chain of political and bureaucratic acceptance of Wayne Jackson's insane report is what we need to identify. I am aware of policy officers who adopted this. But these cruel and ignorant medical ideas obviously arose for economistic and political reasons . . . to produce a drop in DSP expenditure, period. Nothing about offsets, indirect costs . . . all to justify disability work placement arm's length phony placement agencies who will get $3k when you crawl through their door on Newstart.
It is the insanity of it that needs to be attacked. Pain is not recognised. If you check out the Impairment Tables section on Arthritis it is hilariously sick . . . of course because it is the most common chronic ailment affecting to some degree 50% of all individuals over the age of 55. So you can bet "their" JCA doctor death ain't gonna recognise you are crippled.
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Post by roxane on Jun 28, 2012 17:33:38 GMT 7
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Post by anotherdsp on Jun 28, 2012 19:47:00 GMT 7
to roxane,yes it was an interesting reading
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