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Post by Banker on Dec 23, 2010 9:41:35 GMT 7
Welcome Spaceyone.
I hope you can give us some more details of your trauma as it can be helpful to some of the other forum members.
Im also from the G.C.
Cheers Banker
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Post by kiwiintas on Jan 11, 2011 12:41:01 GMT 7
Hi I am Mark From Tassie i been fighting c/l in regards to Job Capacity assessors overturning Drs certificates!
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Post by Banjo on Jan 11, 2011 13:04:30 GMT 7
Good to have you here, you probably can see our original game plan involved DSP recipients living or travelling overseas, but we've come to realise that there is so little independent support for pensioners that we make everybody welcome now.
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Post by spaceyone on Jan 12, 2011 9:00:57 GMT 7
Thanks everyone
I had written to the Federal Court wanting to have certain Centrelink Employees employees charged with breaking their own laws, and other Australian Laws. I didn't get far with that, but will add the events which occurred after writing it, as my application for DSP progressed slowly through the flood waters of corruption, and post it here.
I can sympathise Kiwiintas, as I found the same thing. Job Capacity Assessment reports not only contradict and discount as much valid medical evidence as they can, but also contain straight out lies. For example, two that I had this year stated that I had not worked for 6 months. Both times I had been working up until a few weeks before assessment, and my body was seized up from same.
I complained to centrelink, to the JCA's employers, to members of parliament, the minister for human services, even Carolyn Hogg's office and the commonwealth ombudsman. Nothing was done about it.
My disability employment agency had been keeping false records about myself and tried to sabotage my claim for DSP, so they could keep collecting money for managing me into work. (I had to get every job i had while on their program - they got paid a bonus every time I did.)
Had I been allowed to simply stop working for long enough to rest and recover, and to seek out proper diagnosis and treatment, I might not have ended up as sick as i ultimately became.
Nothing has been done to punish those who sought to defraud me of the payment I was entitled to, nor to correct the issue of homeless they forced me into.
I have now come to the conclusion that the laws requiring people on welfare to work need to be fought, and removed. This will eliminate the need for so many JCA's to be making money off our illhealth.
Jobs are very hard to find, and the current state of the economy is not our fault, but that of the government. While we go down the gurgler looking for new jobs, after having lost the last one due to illhealth, the employment agencies get paid to do nothing for us.
The corruption which is occuring within these employment agencies, disability and otherwise, is to protect their employees from the dole queue and to make huge profits for the owners of the businesses. And yet they treat us like dirt, when it is our misfortune that keeps them in paid work.
Since the government is not monitoring this industry properly, nor investigating our complaints and dealing with them appropriately, the industry no longer deserves to exist.
How many of these places would survive if we were no longer legally obligued to attend? The funding that is pumped into them would be better spend on providing subsidised rent for people who have become too ill to hold down a job, or become unemployed due to the economy.
I am planning to start a movement about this, and will draw up a petition soon. I hope you will all support me in this, and forward it to everyone you know who is on welfare payments. Even being on DSP no longer frees us up from the requirement to work, regardless of the real state of our health. And yet the state of our health is not documented by ourselves, nor our treating doctors, but by people with about as much medical training as ourselves, and who are willing to corrupt their reports to suit their employers, who in the long run, are Centrelink.
Thanks again to the creators of this site for the opportunity to gather here and share our problems and concerns. Let's make a difference!
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Post by Banjo on Jan 12, 2011 12:22:55 GMT 7
It's an indication of what may await some of us when the Act changes this year. My advice to all members is to know your rights and stand up for them. If we keep going like we are we could have a serious lobby group here and numbers are all that governments listen to. There's hundreds of thousands of us out there, more than enough to throw out a government.
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Post by Banker on Jan 12, 2011 15:49:14 GMT 7
Hi I am Mark From Tassie i been fighting c/l in regards to Job Capacity assessors overturning Drs certificates! Hi Mark and Welcome. I just hope we can all help each other in some way. Cheers Banker
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Post by buggaem on Jan 21, 2011 10:24:16 GMT 7
Hi, Thank's to Banjo for the board and same to Tony at SNV online for the link. I don't have an issue with the 13 week grind as I cleared out prior to the 2004 changes. Happily, I've not had one single issue with the dogs of Centrestench since. {much touching of wood after that statement} My issue, is having an overseas partner and kids on a single pension, I'm sure there's a few of us about. I was wondering if anyone is aware of any appeal process to get around the assumption that your partner has her own income. As most would be aware, this assumption is crazy when applied to SEA and in particular, the fine socialist nation I choose to reside. My partner is 100% reliant on me. 110% if you include the occasional family member for whatever reason. I'll be making a trip back to the police state in the near future for a couple of months and would dearly love to sort it, if it's sortable. My simple common sense says to stay away from them. But if there is some precedence I'll give it a shot. Thanks and good luck to all.
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Post by Banjo on Jan 21, 2011 15:58:25 GMT 7
Welcome buggaem, good to have you along. As I see it, C'link is reducing your pension because they have assessed your partner as employed? How did they come to that conclusion and what is her assumed income? It's not something I've come across before.
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Post by buggaem on Jan 21, 2011 19:19:47 GMT 7
Hi Banjo, They're not assuming anything on me personaly, as my family are still below their radar. I'm talking of their natural assumption that if you have a partner, she's an earner, so your a loser policy. I would like to try to clear this up with the heathens if there is a way of doing so without having my ENTITLEMENTS reduced, as she is not an earner in any way, shape or form. At the moment I even spend a certain period a month away from my family so I can deny permenant co-habitation. Maybe that's being a little paranoid, but it's how it is. This issue has arisen for me due to having to raise my head to get Au. citizenship by decent and passports for my kids. I'm sure I'm not Robinson Crusoe in this situation. Cheers.
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Post by Banker on Jan 21, 2011 20:13:56 GMT 7
Welcome buggarem, yes that Tony at SNV is a nice guy.
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Post by Banker on Jan 21, 2011 20:23:37 GMT 7
Hi Banjo, They're not assuming anything on me personaly, as my family are still below their radar. I'm talking of their natural assumption that if you have a partner, she's an earner, so your a loser policy. I would like to try to clear this up with the heathens if there is a way of doing so without having my ENTITLEMENTS reduced, as she is not an earner in any way, shape or form. At the moment I even spend a certain period a month away from my family so I can deny permenant co-habitation. Maybe that's being a little paranoid, but it's how it is. This issue has arisen for me due to having to raise my head to get Au. citizenship by decent and passports for my kids. I'm sure I'm not Robinson Crusoe in this situation. Cheers. Back in 2000 I was in a live in relationship in another S.E Asian country, I notified C/L straight away I was living with someone they cut my pension by almost half. When I asked them about it they said she was capable of earning an income it made no difference that she was not working. So that was another relationship that C/L destroyed for me, I had to say good bye to this very sweet lady to get my full payment back. I have remained single ever since. ( Im too young to get married)
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Post by buggaem on Jan 22, 2011 12:30:09 GMT 7
My children have citizenship by descent and passports. You dont need to be in a relationship to have children nor will they ask. Buggaem are you in Cambodia or Vietnam? Your IP says nam but snooky forums and Tony... If you are in Cambodia I can certainly offer advice on the shit to go through and the people at the embassy that are helpful for citizenship by descent etc... Thanks for that. The no relationship angle is a consideration. Yes I'm in the boonies of Vietnam. I have no probs with Au. consul here, very helpfull anytime I've needed to use them. My interest in SNV goes back to when I lived there 8 or so years ago.
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Post by buggaem on Jan 22, 2011 12:34:51 GMT 7
Welcome buggarem, yes that Tony at SNV is a nice guy. Thanks. I don't think we've met but I'm sure you are. Cheers.
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Post by buggaem on Jan 22, 2011 12:48:21 GMT 7
[Back in 2000 I was in a live in relationship in another S.E Asian country, I notified C/L straight away I was living with someone they cut my pension by almost half. When I asked them about it they said she was capable of earning an income it made no difference that she was not working. So that was another relationship that C/L destroyed for me, I had to say good bye to this very sweet lady to get my full payment back. I have remained single ever since. ( Im too young to get married) [/quote] Exactly! I don't want to bullshit them, but if you fess up it's a no win situation. It would not split us but it would make me consider going back to Au with the entire family and really rip into the system, just out of spite. Much cheaper for them to keep the status quo I would think. I guess the regulations are such that there's no wiggle room to a succesfull appeal against it.
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Post by Banjo on Jan 22, 2011 13:15:32 GMT 7
I think a few of us will be finding out just how much wiggle room there is in the appeals systems this year.
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