Understanding portability 2023

[Shaheem]

As a new member asking about Unlimited/ Indefinite Portability of your DSP, you have been directed to this comprehensive thread regarding the subject. If after reading and digesting the information contained herein you still have questions, please return to your own thread and ask them from there. This thread is Mental Health specific, though the info transfers over well to all other conditions for which you have been granted your DSP. Cheers 🐻

Hi, I'm new here. I recently stumbled across this site and it seems there are some very knowledgeable people here on this subject, and I hope to make use of this knowledge. Basically, I've been on DSP for about 9 years with zero work capacity, I only recently learned of there being such a thing as portability and what not, and basically it's something I would like to obtain, and learn all that I can to ensure I can do so, which honestly seems extremely difficult and convoluted, as though I would require some college degree to do so, but I'll try my best. I've learned a couple things to get myself started and point myself in the right direction, but if anyone can give me some instruction or advice as to what I need to be doing I would truly appreciate it. Thankyou

[mulloway]

The first step is the get your Centrelink file under freedom of information. If Centrelink has classified your work capacity at 0-8hours take it from there ...

[Shaheem]

Do I simply word it to foi that I'm seeking my file? Or is there something more specific I should mention in the request?

[bear]

Sept 30, 2023 9:39:37 GMT 7 mulloway said:

The first step is the get your Centrelink file under freedom of information. If Centrelink has classified your work capacity at 0-8hours take it from there ...

To get your file, follow the steps outlined in the basic form letter # 1 in the link below.

dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/7005/foi-denials-obfuscation?page=1&scrollTo=73279

If your determination for DSP was made under the manifest criteria you will definitely be entitled to UP/IP. The other criteria is outlined in the link below, though what doesn't look to be mentioned is the requirement of having at least 20 points on one table.

guides.dss.gov.au/social-security-guide/7/1/2/10l

Oh... and  to the forum Shaheem . Cheers 🐻

[Shaheem]

Sept 30, 2023 11:00:26 GMT 7 bear said:

Sept 30, 2023 9:39:37 GMT 7 mulloway said:

The first step is the get your Centrelink file under freedom of information. If Centrelink has classified your work capacity at 0-8hours take it from there ...

To get your file, follow the steps outlined in the basic form letter # 1 in the link below.

dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/7005/foi-denials-obfuscation?page=1&scrollTo=73279

If your determination for DSP was made under the manifest criteria you will definitely be entitled to UP/IP. The other criteria is outlined in the link below, though what doesn't look to be mentioned is the requirement of having at least 20 points on one table.

guides.dss.gov.au/social-security-guide/7/1/2/10l

Oh... andView Attachment  to the forum Shaheem . Cheers 🐻

Thankyou so much 🙂, tell me please, what is, or is there, a difference between UP and IP?

[Shaheem]

I'm also unsure what manifest criteria means, my pension is for PTSD as well as a couple other diagnoses that come with it

[tasjo]

Hi Shaheem, welcome to the forum

UP (Unlimited Portability) and IP (Indefinite Portability) are 2 different terms for the same things.

As others have mentioned, a good starting point is to get your file via Freedom of Information (FOI). Centrelink will have this information and will use it when you apply, it's your info, so it's best to have your own copy

Once you have it, the 2 main things you are looking for are:
- 20 points on 1 table
- work capacity of 0-2 hours for the next 5 years (or no work capacity).

The 2nd of these may be shown as NFWC in the JCA (Job Capacity Assessment)

[bear]

Sept 30, 2023 11:23:10 GMT 7 Shaheem said:

I'm also unsure what manifest criteria means, my pension is for PTSD as well as a couple other diagnoses that come with it

Manifest criteria is outlined in this link :- guides.dss.gov.au/social-security-guide/3/6/2/20

Since your main condition is PTSD, you shouldn't really be concerned about it, because I doubt your other diagnoses are in the manifest lists here:-

guides.dss.gov.au/social-security-guide/3/6/2/20#Listofconditions

PTSD comes under the mental health table:- guides.dss.gov.au/social-security-guide/3/6/3/50 Scroll down to example 4 for the descriptor of a Bi polar assessment receiving 20 points or go here www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2023L00188 scroll to Table 5 and self assess for your own information. 

On second thought it may be easier to go to our link, even though the tables in it were made defunct this year.

dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/7402/table-points

Have you maintained a continuous working relationship with your GP, psychiatrist or clinical psychologist since being granted DSP. If not, it's highly suggested that you take steps to re-establish that link so as to have up to date medical evidence: as the application process is essentially a review of your disability requiring a new JCA (job capacity assessment).

Cheers 🐻

[Shaheem]

Sept 30, 2023 14:52:18 GMT 7 bear said:

Sept 30, 2023 11:23:10 GMT 7 Shaheem said:

I'm also unsure what manifest criteria means, my pension is for PTSD as well as a couple other diagnoses that come with it

Manifest criteria is outlined in this link :- guides.dss.gov.au/social-security-guide/3/6/2/20

Since your main condition is PTSD, you shouldn't really be concerned about it, because I doubt your other diagnoses are in the manifest lists here:-

guides.dss.gov.au/social-security-guide/3/6/2/20#Listofconditions

PTSD comes under the mental health table:- guides.dss.gov.au/social-security-guide/3/6/3/50 Scroll down to example 4 for the descriptor of a Bi polar assessment receiving 20 points or go here www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2023L00188 scroll to Table 5 and self assess for your own information. 

On second thought it may be easier to go to our link, even though the tables in it were made defunct this year.

dspoverseas.proboards.com/thread/7402/table-points

Have you maintained a continuous working relationship with your GP, psychiatrist or clinical psychologist since being granted DSP. If not, it's highly suggested that you take steps to re-establish that link so as to have up to date medical evidence: as the application process is essentially a review of your disability requiring a new JCA (job capacity assessment).

Cheers 🐻

Thankyou Bear 🙂, I don't have a regular gp, but yes, I continue to see my clinical psychologist, who I've seen since I was granted DSP and have a great relationship with, and also see the head psychiatrist at the centre sometimes who I also have a great relationship with. The psychiatrist I recall had to write to the NDIS to satisfy them that I have a permanent disability that will not improve, after which I was accepted and received NDIS funding. So that's already in black and white. And anything else I require I know they will come through for me, which has to be a good thing I imagine.

[Shaheem]

Other main diagnosis is BPD for what it's worth, and ofcourse then depression and anxiety/OCD, just incase that's of any relevance

[Shaheem]

If I'm understanding everything correctly, I tick all but one of the boxes for thirty points on table five

[bear]

Sept 30, 2023 16:41:54 GMT 7 Shaheem said:

If I'm understanding everything correctly, I tick all but one of the boxes for thirty points on table five

To qualify for IP you only require 20 points on a single table, though you may have 30 if you're on NDIS. It will be in your file.

When your ready to start the portability application process, in order to do so, you need to call CIS (Centrelink International Services) pH 1316 73 and request the forms for IP/UP.  They're obliged to warn you of possible loss of DSP...... Given your stated position I don't think you'd be at any risk, so don't feel intimidated. Always ask for a receipt number at the end of calls. That is an assurance that your calls will be kept on your file. Cheers 🐻

[Shaheem]

Sept 30, 2023 17:39:05 GMT 7 bear said:

Sept 30, 2023 16:41:54 GMT 7 Shaheem said:

If I'm understanding everything correctly, I tick all but one of the boxes for thirty points on table five

To qualify for IP you only require 20 points on a single table, though you may have 30 if you're on NDIS. It will be in your file.

When your ready to start the portability application process, in order to do so, you need to call CIS (Centrelink International Services) pH 1316 73 and request the forms for IP/UP.  They're obliged to warn you of possible loss of DSP...... Given your stated position I don't think you'd be at any risk, so don't feel intimidated. Always ask for a receipt number at the end of calls. That is an assurance that your calls will be kept on your file. Cheers 🐻

can't thank you enough for all this information, I truly appreciate it. I'll request the file on Monday and take it from there. I'll keep you posted 🙂

[Shaheem]

Sept 30, 2023 11:00:06 GMT 7 Shaheem said:

Do I simply word it to foi that I'm seeking my file? Or is there something more specific I should mention in the request?

thankyou 🙂

[Shaheem]

Sept 30, 2023 13:54:29 GMT 7 tasjo said:

Hi Shaheem, welcome to the forum

UP (Unlimited Portability) and IP (Indefinite Portability) are 2 different terms for the same things.

As others have mentioned, a good starting point is to get your file via Freedom of Information (FOI). Centrelink will have this information and will use it when you apply, it's your info, so it's best to have your own copy

Once you have it, the 2 main things you are looking for are:
- 20 points on 1 table
- work capacity of 0-2 hours for the next 5 years (or no work capacity).

The 2nd of these may be shown as NFWC in the JCA (Job Capacity Assessment)

thankyou for clarifying that, and the additional information 🙂, appreciate it